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  • Matthew Grallert Matthew Grallert @ 11:14 AM
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    Finally stopped running

    I almost cried.  I installed this in Dec. 03.  It's never been serviced.  Well it finally shut off.  The poor thing.
  • Jean-David Beyer Jean-David Beyer @ 12:16 PM
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    Some people are like that.

    If you are not a professional, you should have your heating system (and other systems) serviced annually. Otherwise, it seems to me you might qualify for a Darwin Award.

    I knew a guy, the CEO of a company I worked for, who hated doing any service for his automotive vehicles. He would put gasoline in the tank, but he really resented that. It was not that he could not afford service, but he did not want to be bothered with scheduling it and taking the time to have it done.

    So he did an interesting test (though that was not his intention). He bought a brand new Pontiac station wagon and never checked or changed the oil. IIRC, it went about 26,000 miles before the engine seized up.
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  • Charlie from wmass Charlie from wmass @ 4:29 PM
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    interesting idea

    I know we do not talk price. But I wonder if they saved the price of maintenance and simply it cost them the same in the end. of course the 500 gallons of fuel that were wasted will not be factored in. I am amazed it could heat through that soot.
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  • Matthew Grallert Matthew Grallert @ 5:21 PM
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    I don't know what his increased fuel consumption was, I can only imagine. 
    I run into a few train wrecks like this every year but usually not one I so lovingly installed, and none I get a chance to service.
    It's future was going to be so bright it only needed a little love once a year.  The home owner seems to think it is the fault of the fuel.
  • Charlie from wmass Charlie from wmass @ 6:06 PM
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    Show them the OWNERs manual

    It says yearly service by a trained service technician.
    Cost is what you spend , value is what you get.

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  • Matthew Grallert Matthew Grallert @ 9:46 PM
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    It's a landlord tenant thing.  I think what I should have installed an incinerator so the owner could burn plastic and five dollar bills, and the owners manuals for the all the major appliances in his rental property.
    He was/is fully aware of the need to maintain this system, I guess he had more important things to attend to.
  • kcopp kcopp @ 8:30 PM
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    we you able to....

    save the door? that it a very pricey item to replace... about 1/2 the cost of the boiler.
    IS that a DV boiler? looks like a Riello BF series burner....kpc
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  • OilsBetter OilsBetter @ 10:30 PM
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    We have "customers" that use no heat calls for their tune up schedule. We tune it up and they run it until and doesn't work anymore. We are back out usually years later (unless a part fails) for another no heat/tune up. What they don't understand is for the small anual fee we charge they have long wasted that amount in incomplete combustion, and insulation via soot.

    I wish i had pictures of a unit i did about 5 months back. It would make that one look new again. The smoke pipe was plugged solid as was the boiler. I don't know how the poor thing managed to run as long as it did.
  • croydoncorgi croydoncorgi @ 8:32 PM
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    yes - but people (landlords) think otherwise

    In the case of oil - absolutely right: it'll die in months and waste a lot of fuel doing so.

    But gas (especially natural gas) is different. I know of burners that have run for more than 5 years with no service of any kind and still clean as a whistle!

    Users hear / see the evidence of this sort of thing and assume that ALL kinds of burner / furnace are going to be the same.  Wrong!
  • Steve Steve @ 8:38 AM
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    Safety first, efficiency second

    Our service agreement is called a Safety and Efficiency agreement.  Too often people are only concerned with the efficiency.  IMO, our biggest job is to make sure it's operating safely.  And that's why our service agreement is called what it is.
  • Mac_R Mac_R @ 11:04 AM
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    Fixed that problem

    I had a customer who kept pushing the reset button every time it went off.  He told me that because it had flame there was nothing to worry about.  I told him that if the safey control is shuting the burner off then it might not be safe to run.  The entire system was pluged.  I had to use two vacuum bags to get it all out.  not to mention the chimmny was not caped so the rain water was mixing in with the soot in the smoke pipe and caused one heck of a mess.  I came out looking like a cole miner and the customer called the office because when I triped on his stares full of crap I left a smudge on his wall.  I was able to clean the wall and get the unit running.  I replaced the control with a Beckett GenySys so he could not push the reset button for a month.  This was the third time he has called for something like this. 
  • croydoncorgi croydoncorgi @ 9:09 AM
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    Not just lack of servicing......

    Even when systems do get SOME servicing, installation faults and bad practice can still come back to haunt the original installer!

    I just returned from a repair job on some pipework.  A copper pipe carrying hot water mysteriously developed a leak nowhere near any joint.  The clue was that it was a vent, so no significant flow through it.  (In UK, we (used to) build bizarre systems with a storage tank in the loft of the house, with hot and cold services operated by gravity from that tank.  The only outlets from the mains water service to the house would be the (drinking water) tap in the kitchen and the filling valve on the loft tank.)

    The muppet / trainee who installed the vent pipe used a soldered joint but with FAR too much flux.  When the joint was heated to melt the solder, surplus flux ran down inside the pipe and then congealed in a lump stuck to the copper, surprisingly on a vertical section.  Because the pipe was a vent there was no easy way of flushing it, so the flux stayed there in contact with both copper and water.

    Twenty-three (23!!) years later, the pipe perforated due to corrosion.
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