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  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 5:35 PM
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    Gas Explosion is the worst I have ever seen

    in my 50 + years:
    1. Huge gas-line explosion rips through San Francisco suburb
       YouTube/The Associated PressA huge fireball erupted in a San Francisco suburb Thursday night, destroying nearly 40 homes by one count and killing at least four people. The explosion, which triggered a fireball that filled an entire street, was apparently caused by a ruptured high-pressure natural gas line operated by Pacific Gas and Electric, although company officials cautioned that the cause of the blaze hadn't been determined. [u][color=#0000ff]The New York Times (free registration)/The Bay Citizen (San Francisco)[/color][/u] (9/10) , [u][color=#0000ff]Google/The Associated Press[/color][/u] (9/10) , [u][color=#0000ff]YouTube/The Associated Press[/color][/u] (9/10) LinkedInFacebookTwitterEmail this Story


    Today they stated that a weld may have come apart. very unusual as all welds on a 1,000 lb pressure transmission lines are x-ray tested at time of welding.
  • CWS CWS @ 7:42 PM
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    Someone Smelled Gas?

    The way the earth shift in that region of the U.S. I wouldn't be surprized if the pipe ripped from earth quake movement. i thought I heard somewhere where someone mentioned smelling gas hours before ignition. Hmm?
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 11:26 AM
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    There has also been a mention

    of some sewer work having been done in the area. I am sure when all this settles down they will come up with a cause. The NTSB handles these investigations along with DOT. That is because gas travels interstate through large high pressure transmission lines. They actually in this case built houses to close to the transmission line.


    As you travel you will notice right of ways with electrical transmission lines above ground. In those same areas gas transmission lines are below ground in these so called "right of ways". Most states have strict requirements as to how close you can build to these and even for farmers how close they can plant crops.

    Many years ago we had a farmer in Mass shear of the top of a blow off on one of these lines fortunately it did not cause any explosion or fire just scared the farmer half to death.
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 11:35 AM
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    Here is some more info

  • CWS CWS @ 7:55 PM
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    Xray

    What's the protocol on the welds. I thought the state has a rep xray each weld before signing off.
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 8:50 PM
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    That is correct all

    welds are x-rayed and a number is assigned to each weld and they are kept by the transmission company.
  • Glen Aspen Glen Aspen @ 8:32 AM
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    testing is very stringent

    as well as the xray procedure the entire line would have been hydrotested as well. As Tim states each weld is recorded on a weld map that includes location and welder that did the procedure. I would also give some consideration to changing ground conditions that can cause corrosion; the weld fill material acts like an anode (gives up ions) and the pipeline acts like a cathode (receives the ions). If the cathodic protection failed then the first failure point is the weld.
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 3:42 PM
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  • Timco Timco @ 11:28 PM
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    Age

    Pipe was installed in 1956. What is protocol for inspection? Pressure test sections? Not feasible to dig it up and inspect it all the way from end to end. What will happen here do you suppose?
    Working on steam and hot-water systems isn't rocket science....it's actually much harder.
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 11:16 AM
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    All gas lines are

    subject to a survey inspection on a pre-determined schedule. In addition this is why odorant is added so that the general public can become part of the survey. If you smell gas you never enter a building and you call the gas company or fire department.

    Most piping is also corrosion protected with anodes which are also monitored on a frequent basis to insure the integrity of the piping.

    There is no control however over out side construction damaging piping and failing to report the damage.

    This particular pipe is also in an area that has frequent earthquake activity so I would hope a more intense survey schedule would be carried out.

    When you look at all of the pipe in the ground carrying all kinds of volatile substances we have a fairly good safety record here in North America.
  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 6:50 PM
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  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 12:07 PM
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    The latest information

    • California pipeline "unpeeled," says Stanford University expert
      Photos of the failed section of pipeline blamed for the San Bruno, Calif., natural gas explosion suggest that a weak spot along a seam or weld line could have split the pipeline open like a banana peel, experts say. "This pipe basically unpeeled and failed catastrophically," said Stanford University mechanical engineering professor Tom Bowman. There's little sign of corrosion in the photos, another expert said, perhaps suggesting that overpressure might have placed too much strain on the pipe's weld lines. [u][color=#0000ff]San Jose Mercury News (Calif.)[/color][/u] (free registration) (9/30) Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.Right-click here to download pictures. To help protect your privacy, Outlook prevented automatic download of this picture from the Internet.<br />
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