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  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 8:02 PM
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    System 2000 controler

    I have an older, 18yrs, Energy Kinetics System 2000 boiler. I've been having problems with the control unit. My HVAC guy removed the System 2000 controller, and replaced it
    with a standard Honeywell control. Even with the Hi limit set at 140degs, it still boils.....
    1, Can the system 2000 control be replaced by a honeywell.
    2, Why can't we get it to not boil.

    Thank you for any help! 
  • Sensi Jimmy Sensi Jimmy @ 8:19 PM
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    system 2000

    you must have the boiler manager on that system to work properly, you can contact energy kinetics to get new board and controls.
  • dafy dafy @ 5:57 PM
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    system 2000

    They will give you the name of service contractor in your area, maybe and then you will have to call them in . This is the weakness of a great system. They will not send you parts. I live in an area where there is only one service gentleman and he will not come to my abode but will sell me parts if I visit his office. So, it will cost you..
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 8:27 PM
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    The reason he removed it in the first place was because he is the 3rd tech to try and repair it.  Would cycle short time, then kick the reset. I guess he assumed he could just replace with standard. 
  • Sensi Jimmy Sensi Jimmy @ 8:48 PM
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    sevice tech

    that system can only use there controls   expensive to buy but energy kinetics has great tech support...
  • billtwocase billtwocase @ 9:19 PM
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    are you talking about

    the W/R high limit above the burner? You cant substitute it, What's the temp set for is the return? By-pass on it? Open at least 1/2 way? That is only a safety, ans not an operating control. It should be set for 205-210, and shouldn't be that hot, unless you got something else wrong
    This post was edited by an admin on November 13, 2011 9:22 PM.
  • chapchap70 chapchap70 @ 12:26 AM
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    Did the people working on it look at the manual?

    There may not be anything wrong with the control that was replaced.  For example, If the main circulator isn't circulating, the boiler water temperature would rise and trip the high limit.  I suggest you get someone there who is familiar with System 2000.  That boiler has been known to kick people in the butt who are not familiar with them. 

     
    This post was edited by an admin on November 14, 2011 12:37 AM.
  • Jim Hankinson Jim Hankinson @ 9:55 AM
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    System 2000

    Because of the spiral design of the EK boiler, the system circulator has to run continuously during a cycle. Whoever was working on your system last has no clue. Only a System 2000 manager will work correctly on a System 2000. From the age of the system you likely need what's called the Classic manager. If you can't find a qualified tech to work on it call EK Customer Service at 800-323-2066 for references.
    Unless you are a burner tech, electrician, plumber, etc, you won't be able to buy a manager directly. Also, don't believe the frequent remarks made on this and other sites that it will cost you an arm and a leg. There is a core credit for returned managers that are rebuildable that covers quite a bit of the replacement cost. 
    Managers are not field repairable so I don't know what the tech was trying to do but he certainly didn't do you any favors.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 4:43 PM
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    Service Rep.

    The System 2000 has worked very well for us for almost 20ys...no complaints. Unfortunately, the company that installed it is no longer in business. I called EK this morning to find a new tech in my area. They referred me to a rep, with whom I left a message.. Still waiting on a callback 8hrs later. I get the impression my problem to begin with is the boiler was over heating the water and causing it to trip. Hopefully, a good tech can salvage the manager.   Thank you everyone for your help and input.
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  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 6:22 PM
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    System Update.

    Ok, so there was no issue with the System Manager. Turns out, the problem all along has been an electrical arc condition in my main panel box. We reinstalled the manager....has not kicked out since. This is the original problem that started all my adventures.  I do have one issue, and that is my DHW is continuously calling for heat. Not sure what the issue is there. I am still waiting for the EK Rep for my area to contact me with the name of a tech in the area. Rather disappointed it's been 3 days no no reply.
    Thanks Again Guys!
  • chapchap70 chapchap70 @ 7:10 PM
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    What area are you in?

    Maybe Jim H can help you.  I know some people on Long Island.  A larger oil company that works on them is Meenan.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 7:15 PM
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    Location

    Dutchess County NY
  • Jim Hankinson Jim Hankinson @ 10:27 AM
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    System 2000 problem

    Schmoked, I contacted the rep for your area. He recognized the situation and said he did call you and referred you to several nearby dealers. I sent you an e-mail with the names and phone numbers.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 1:56 PM
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    Contact

    Jim, thank you for the contact info. As far as the rep....no contact was made with me. 
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 5:52 PM
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    Update

    Just an update. Had a service tech reinstall the system mgr. System worked fine for a short period of time. System still continues to kick reset switch couple times a day. Seems to be associated with the pressure sensor according to the tech. He replaced that. Worked fine for about a week. Then back to old tricks. Out of ideas.
  • Jim Hankinson Jim Hankinson @ 8:48 AM
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    System 2000 problem

    It sounds like the problem is connected to a lack of draft or restriction in the boiler. I take it that the reset that's tripping is on the primary control. The manager has absolutely nothing to do with that. Have the service tech call EK and speak with someone in Tech Support. It doesn't matter if he/she is a dealer, just need someone who has proper combustion test equipment and knows how to use it.
  • dafy dafy @ 6:38 PM
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    system 2000

    I also own a system 2000 oil hot water system installed in 1996. I have a classic manager which has been recently partially fried. One of the zones fires but will not shut down. The cause was a broken wire that flopped around when the burner fired. My question is can I subistute a digital manager for the classic manager? A little more on my system-glass lined water heater serving as a water storage tank-has went once since 1996, water expansion tanks (2) that both have been replaced, various pressure valves that have went and been replaced. Cracked cover and over cover of firing oven-cemented and taped up.
  • billtwocase billtwocase @ 7:54 AM
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    do you have

    any unused zoning on your manager? I would also say no to upgrading to the digital manager. Jim might have that answer, but I would thing boiler re-piping would be a big part of it, Two different animals. I am still baffled by the burnt wire theory?
  • Jim Hankinson Jim Hankinson @ 8:19 AM
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    System 2000 controller

    The Classic manager can be upgraded to the digital manager by replacing the line voltage operating aquastat with a digital sensor and the sensor well. It's really not worth the extra expense to do it.
    All of the insulation parts, chamber and jacket are readily available. Your service person can order them direct from EK.
  • dafy dafy @ 2:44 PM
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    system 2000 classic manager

    Yes I have extra zone-so I will give that a try. The bottom of the card is a little bubbly so in a few days when I get a chance I will try to measure the 4 bottom components and if they are obviously bad-replace them. The system is effiicent-87 % but can come on often, hot water and three zones-I have be giving some thought to tying all the zones together . Is there anything bad about this idea.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 9:40 PM
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    Same issue...

    So service guy was here on 11/22 for routine cleaning. Boiler ran fine for a week. Started tripping reset. Service man returned on 12/2. Spent 15 mins, left. Boiler shut down 3 times in next hr. Returned on 12/4. Found part of rag on ignitor tip. Replaced cad cell. Boiler ran fine.....till evening of 12/7. WTF?????
    EK, what number do I give to them to call????
    Sigma-Tremblay is the service Co.
    This post was edited by an admin on December 7, 2013 10:25 PM.
  • Aaron_in_Maine Aaron_in_Maine @ 10:11 PM
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    Tech

    Sounds like your problem is the tech not the system.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 10:26 PM
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    Tech

    Yes, except I have had multiple techs, from diff companies work on it....
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 9:16 AM
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    No surprise

    You don't need multiple Techs,just one good one. Put a Genisys on if you don't already have one,it keeps a history that will aid greatly in troubleshooting. Is it 2 pipe or one? If 2 pipe,convert to 1 pipe. Nothing good happens with 2 pipe systems. Does it have a puff switch? Draft issues will cause random lockouts on puff switch equipped boilers
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 10:00 AM
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    No Suprise

    The puff switch has also been replaced. Not sure what you mean by single pipe or 2. As far as a competent tech goes, i asked the tech to test the cad cell. He tells me he can tell by looking at it if it is bad. Know i am no tech, but i do know that electronic components can not be "tested" by looking at them. Told him i wanted it tested with an ohm meter and it should read < 1600 ohms. Instead he just replaced it. So, I will be contacting them again in the morning and raising hell....again!
  • Weezbo Weezbo @ 11:31 AM
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    the board knows what it knows and does what it does,...

    it is not any smarter than that though lol..
    so what it doesn't know it just deals with on it's own level.
  • dafy dafy @ 4:18 PM
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    Tying zones together

    I have system 2000 classic manager. I have 3 zones which seem to come one after another. Can I tie these electrically to one zone and how would I do this?
  • billtwocase billtwocase @ 10:03 AM
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    the energizer bunny thread

    I would say no. One power head per terminal
  • dafy dafy @ 5:57 PM
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    Tying zones together

    I am not sure what you mean by power head. These are zones with a zone valve.each. There must be some way to tie them together.
  • Schmoked Schmoked @ 11:00 AM
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    Finally

    Well, after 5 visits by the tech in the last 3 weeks, the problem of tripping the control reset seems to have been resolved. The wire from pressure sensor too control had melted against the plate exchanger pipe. This caused a short. In the mean time, tech had replaced transformer, cad cell, control.....none of which did he actually test.
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