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  • Heeltee Heeltee @ 3:49 PM
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    I want to replace my underground returns and bring them above the basement floor. This is a one pipe steam system. Is there any thing I should be aware of before I begin. Thanks
  • Jamie Hall Jamie Hall @ 3:50 PM
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    Be sure

    to keep them below the waterline of the boiler!

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  • Heeltee Heeltee @ 3:53 PM
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    Thanks ! That I will do ! Anything else ?
  • Steve Steve @ 4:14 PM
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    I would

    Use copper on the wet return. NEVER above the water line though.
  • crash2009 crash2009 @ 6:18 PM
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    Install a couple drain valves, one at each end so you can flush them out in the future.  If you re-do the Hartford as well, install a Hartford valve.  Watch this video to see why.
  • Long Beach Ed Long Beach Ed @ 7:51 PM
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    Some Tips...

    Bring down the drips in iron full size of the main until below the water level.  Reduce them below the water line.   Tie them into copper returns with brass couplings.  That will control electrolysis.   You don't want copper threaded into iron. It will leak.

    Size your returns using piping charts.  No need to oversize copper.  Many iron returns were sized bigger than necessary to allow for corrosion. 

    Pitch the returns toward the boiler to control the buildup of mung.  We hang them from iron "L-Brackets" nailed into the walls every four feet with Hilti fasteners.  We also insulate the returns with Armaflex foam insulation.  You don't want the copper rubbing on or against concrete. 

    Assembling the returns with Pro-press fittings saves us hours of soldering copper. 

    As Crash recommends, hose cocks or plugged tees at the ends are nice for flushing, probably in someone else's lifetime. 
  • Hap_Hazzard Hap_Hazzard @ 8:46 PM
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    I prefer a dry return.

    You can run the returns above the water line as long as you keep them above the "A" dimension (28" above the water line) and keep them separate, then drop them into a short wet return (or "mud leg") run to the Hartford loop. The return piping can all be 1" except for the mud leg, which should be larger in diameter to reduce turbulence. This allows sediments to settle out of the water before it returns to the boiler. Use a tee to connect the mud leg to the Hartford loop, then put a short nipple and a full-port ball valve on the other end of the tee so the sediment can be drained. A water pipe can be connected to the far end of the mud leg to flush it out.
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  • Heeltee Heeltee @ 10:31 AM
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    Returns !

    Thanks to all who Reply.
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