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  • Paul Pollets Paul Pollets @ 1:44 PM
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    Steam Boiler Changeout- Estimating Fuel Cost Savings

    A residential customer in Seattle asked me how much would he save by changing his oil-fired steam boiler (c.1980) to a new nat. gas steam boiler. The current boiler is firing at 1gpm into an uninsulated chimney. There are 9 radiators on a 1 pipe system.Basement mains are missing 90% of insulation.
    Current prices for fuel oil are $4.20/gal and nat. gas is $1.06/therm. I couldn't find any software that was anywhere near accurate for comparisons.What would you say?
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 4:48 PM
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    How many gallons?

    How many gallons of oil do they burn? Take the gallons and multiply by 1.35 and you will get the equivalent therms. 
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 4:48 PM
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    How many gallons?

    How many gallons of oil do they burn? Take the gallons and multiply by 1.35 and you will get the equivalent therms. 
  • gennady gennady @ 6:07 PM
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    oil to gas savings

    1 gallon of oil contains 140,000 btu, so cost of 100,000 btu will be $4,20/1.4=$3.00 per 100,000 btu
    100,000 btu is 1 term. so cost of heating will go down 3/1.09 = 2.83 times
    Gennady Tsakh





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  • Tim McElwain Tim McElwain @ 7:24 PM
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    Paul contact

    me by e-mail at gastc@cox.net and give me a fax number and I will send you a little chart that will do the trick.
  • Zman Zman @ 9:28 PM
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    % Efficiency

    You also need to factor in the efficiency of the Boiler.This is easy to do with the attached sheet. The insulation number will require a bit of a SWAG.
    Gennady is absolutely correct assuming the new boiler is no more efficient and you do not insulate.
  • Steamhead Steamhead @ 10:48 PM
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    Might want to look at

    a conversion burner. What make and model is the boiler? 
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  • Paul Pollets Paul Pollets @ 2:30 PM
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    Existing boiler

    The existing boiler is not in good shape.
    The actual oil usage averages 566 gallons per year at $4.09 gal. based on 2 years worth of bills.
    I'd have recommended a conversion burner if the appliance was in better shape.
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 5:27 PM
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    566 gallons

    That's approx 780 therms.
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 5:27 PM
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    566 gallons

    That's approx 780 therms.
  • Steamhead Steamhead @ 11:28 PM
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    When you replace the boiler

    stay with a wet base/power burner type, for best efficiency. We use Smith 8 (the red one) and Slant/Fin Intrepid (blue one) series boilers with either Carlin EZ-Gas or Midco EC burners. Both EZ-Gas burners pictured have acoustic covers.
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  • Ron Jr. Ron Jr. @ 8:26 AM
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    $1.06 a therm ?

    Is that with all costs included ?  I just bought 200 gallons of oil at $2.91 , but that price difference makes it a no brainer .
  • Jean-David Beyer Jean-David Beyer @ 9:20 AM
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    Is that with all costs included ?

    My latest gas bill, due July 12, 2012, is

    4.22 Therms Gas        $2.47
    4.22 Therms Delivery $2.18
    Customer Charge       $8.25

    Total $12.90.

    Per therm:
    $3.0569 all in.
    $0.5853 for just the gas
    $1.1019 for gas and delivery

    This is in Monmouth County, NJ.Only use is for domestic hot water indirect from my mod-con boiler. It is going up to 100F outside, so none is for heating the house. ;-)
  • Mark N Mark N @ 11:11 AM
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    Gas Price

    The price I paid for natural gas on my last bill was $.97 a therm plus $5.99 service charge. The service charge is the same whether I buy 1 therm or a 100 therms.
  • SWEI SWEI @ 1:15 PM
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    out here in the West

    Things are a bit different http://www.nmgco.com/Current_Natural_Gas_Rates.aspx
  • David Sutton David Sutton @ 1:32 PM
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    Hi Paul,

    I go with Steamhead, i wont put in a log burner for gas, only wet based oil blocks with the carlin E-Z gas, avg about 84% eff compared to 79 to 80
  • gerry gill gerry gill @ 1:33 PM
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    And if you really want to increase efficiency

    Insulate the pipes and fittings, and upgrade the venting.
    Serving Cleveland's eastern suburbs from Cleveland Heights down to Cuyahoga Falls.
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