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  • Bertman Bertman @ 10:24 PM
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    Anyone have information on Smith Boilers Oil http://smithboiler.com/

    Hello,

    evaluating 3 brands to replace my almost 30 year old oil boiler.

    The DV8 from Smith boiler came up  http://smithboiler.com/  however I am unable
    to find very many installers who carry it, and many have never heard of it.

    Can anyone give me any info. on this, reputation specifically?

    BTW:  The other 2 I am looking at are the Buderus 215, and the EK System 2000.

    Thanks in advance.
  • kcopp kcopp @ 7:35 AM
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    The boiler...

    you are asking about is a Direct vent/ Balanced flue. Complete diff boiler that the other 2. Will you continue to use the chimney? How big is your home? Did you start w/ a heatloss? The  Buderus 215 is a really big boiler.... the 115 will take care of most homes.
  • Bertman Bertman @ 11:45 AM
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    A little more info

    Yes some more information would be helpful.

    -The home is only
    around 1900 Sq Ft. (we will add a zone  for a 300 sq. ft. finished
    basement section) So new boiler would be expected to do 2200 sq. ft.
    -Current heating is with a 28 year old steel oil fired boiler called a Blue-ray 2./ Becket burner.
    -2x6
    exterior walls fully insulated,all new double pane energy efficient
    windows installed in 2010, double layer insulation in attic.
    - Mid new England area so the climate is cold for 6 months of the year, and about 3 months of that can be extreme cold.
    -Hot water baseboards, and one kick space heater.
    -internal
    coil for hot water,  fast and endless HW, but will update to a holding
    tank or maybe a propane Rinnai tankless depending on cost, and also what a fat boy propane tank will cost.
     I understand heating the water by internal boiler coil is
    the least efficient way to do it.
    - Do not have propane on site now.
    -No
    heat Loss eval done yet - (not sure what that would gain us since we
    know the current boiler does ok)  Open to any explanation on what we
    would gain from that.
    -Will
    continue to use the all internal up through the roof masonry chimney (
    it is in good shape however 2 installers have mentioned it may still
    need to be lined for about $400 -$500)
     Looks like terracotta on the inside.

    Seems
    like I would pay about $1500 more for the Buderus or the  EK S2000 over
    the Smith Series 8 http://www.smithboiler.com/html/series8.asp, but it
    looks as though we are talking a different tier of efficiency.  The
    Buderus and the S2000 would be a bit more efficient on fuel.

    My 2 concerns with the smith is it is possibly less efficient than the other 2, and also finding installers who do
    not even know about smith, they keep calling it A.O. Smith which is different....That worries me.  But on the EK S2000 I am
    also finding most in the business know of them, the first estimate was
    by a dealer who installs them.  My worry with the EK S2000 is that I am
    finding a lot of installers who formerly carried them saying they
    prefer not to install them due to problems and longevity issues, fragile electronics, and non standard parts.  The
    Buderus seems to come up in real life issues from installers as well as home
    owners as just as efficient as the EK S2000, but may be a bit more
    reliable, longer lasting, still has fragile electronics, but more standard parts than the S2000.

    Any thoughts, suggestions or real life experiences evaluated and appreciated.

    Bertman
  • unclejohn unclejohn @ 12:33 PM
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    Not many around

    I have only worked on one Smith boiler and that was recently. The owner said the first gas fired boiler lasted only a year and was replaced. I was there due to a hi CO reading from a energy audit firm. I found that the flame roll out swithch had been bent up and out of the peep hole where it should have been. After I bent it back down it tripped off in less then 5 mins. and when I brought the home owner back down to show him what was done we saw and ever expanding puddle of water coming from the left side of the boiler. Smith offered him a replacement cell only.
  • billtwocase billtwocase @ 3:56 PM
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    first

    we don't talk price here. I would have a heat loss done by whoever is bidding the job. As far as EK, that would be my 1st choice, but that's just me. Most of their parts are standard, and any service company should have them on hand. The chamber, manager, puff switch, plate heat exchanger are not common but can be had quickly by mail. I installed my first EK in 84. They are quiet and efficient
  • kcopp kcopp @ 7:46 AM
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    You start w/...

    a heatloss so you know what you need for the proper boiler. Who knows if the current boiler is properly sized... it could be too big.... that wastes fuel. Smith is a fine boiler. The only thing I would say is to get a 3 pass boiler. That will be more efficient and easier to clean in the long run. A Buderus 115 series is 1 example but Biasi, Trio, Burnham and Peerless also have them.
  • Bertman Bertman @ 9:18 PM
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    thanks

    Excellent information here, just got myself a lot more education.  Appreciated.
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