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  • kcopp kcopp @ 11:57 PM
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    Burnham MST.....

    Does Burnham/ US boiler still frown upon gas conversion burners? Have they seen the light?
  • Robert O'Brien Robert O'Brien @ 7:40 AM
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    No

    Shortsighted IMO
  • Steamhead Steamhead @ 9:22 PM
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    Every time I talk to someone at Burnham

    I remind them that we want a gas MegaSteam.......
    "Reducing our country's energy consumption, one system at a time"

    Steam, Vapor & Hot-Water Heating Specialists

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    Baltimore, MD (USA) and consulting anywhere.
  • BobC BobC @ 9:49 PM
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    I contacted them last year

    when I was about to buy the Smith G8 and put a Carlin EZ-Gas on it. I explained that I would like to use the MegaSteam instead because I thought it a superior boiler. They replied and told me they would not sanction putting any type of gas boiler in the Megasteam and they referred me to the IN series of gas boilers.

    There obviously someone very high up at Burnham who is very much against the idea of a wet based gas fired boiler and from the reply I got it is not the sales staff.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 84,200 BTU, Single pipe steam

    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in

    3PSI gauge
  • MarkS MarkS @ 5:21 AM
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    Reason?

    Has Burnham said why they're opposed to a gas burner on a MegaSteam?
    Homeowner, Royersford PA | 1890 one-pipe steam system | 3009 sf | 3 floors | 14 radiators | Utica SFE5200S boiler
    Midco LNB-250 Modulating Gas Burner | EcoSteam modulating controls | 70 to 300 MBH |
    607 sf EDR connected load | Operating pressure: 0.5 oz/in2
    Four main runs (insulated) totaling 135 ft in length | All Gorton vents on mains & rads |
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  • Dave in QCA Dave in QCA @ 11:33 AM
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    Energy Star Rating?

    The Burnham Megasteam is rated at 86% when firing oil and that gets it into the Energy Star club. There are few others that can make that claim, if any. The Smith 8 series running on steam and firing oil does not quite make it.

    When the efficiency of oil firing and gas firing are compared side by side at the AHRI site, gas always runs 1.5%-2.5% less efficient. So, if the Megasteam was marketed with a gas burner, one might guess that the efficiency might be in the area of 84% That is not bad at all, but it is not good enough to get the Energy Star rating. And that would be bad for the marketing plan for what is perhaps the only energy star rated steam boiler.

    The obvious solution to the dilemma is to market a gas version of the megasteam with a different name. Perhaps it could be the Burnham Supersteam gas. I would have bought a couple of them!

    I would also guess that there is disagreement on this whole issue inside the Burnham corporate management structure. The side of the argument that says "we can't market the Megasteam as a gas burner" is winning. The other side that wants to do it (there has to be someone inside Burnham that thinks it's a good idea!) simply has not figured out how to go about it. And so, the silly story continues. Burnham won't market the Megasteam with a gas burner because for some reason they think that they can't. But, they just haven't figured out how, or the person in charge who decided "we can't" won't listen to new ideas, and perhaps doesn't want to admit that he's wrong.

    Corporate Management 101. How to admit you're wrong without admitting you're wrong, and taking someone else's great idea and making it like it was your's all along.
    Dave in Quad Cities, America
    Weil-McLain 680 with Riello 2-stage burner, December 2012. Firing rate=375MBH Low, 690MBH Hi.
    System = Early Dunham 2-pipe Vacuo-Vapor (inlet and outlet both at bottom of radiators) Traps are Dunham #2 rebuilt w. Barnes-Jones Cage Units, Dunham-Bush 1E, Mepco 1E, and Armstrong TS-2. All valves haveTunstall orifices sized at 8 oz.
    Current connected load EDR= 1,259 sq ft, Original system EDR = 2,100 sq ft Vaporstat, 13 oz cutout, 4 oz cutin - Temp. control Tekmar 279.
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