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  • jOsh2513 jOsh2513 @ 10:10 PM
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    Oil furnace won't light!!

    Came home to freezing pipes because the twenty year old oil furnace isn't working. The whole house smelled like heating oil. So I pushed the red reset button on the pump, which made a whirring sound for about 20 seconds and shut off without any fire happening in the chamber. What could cause this? I had a new nozzle installed within the last week and the furnace cleaned by a service guy who charged me two hundred bucks so I'd like to try fixing this myself. Thanks for the help!
  • BobC BobC @ 7:45 AM
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    many things

    It could be a clogged filter, clogged oil line, bad ignition transformer, carbon buildup, a bad primary control, etc. DO NOT KEEP PUSHING THE RED BUTTON! That may just put a lot of oil in the combustion chamber and if it does light off you will be very sorry.

    Call the guy back and have him go through the troubleshooting steps to figure out whats wrong.

    Bob
    Smith G8-3 with EZ Gas @ 84,200 BTU, Single pipe steam

    Vaporstat with a 12oz cut-out and 4oz cut-in

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  • icesailor icesailor @ 12:17 PM
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    Oil Smell:

    If you smell oil, and the burner was off and didn't light when you pressed the red button of death (to homeowners who haven't experienced the "Kiss of the Fire Breathing Dragon), DO NOT under any circumstances, try to fire it again. Call a Pro.

    Maybe not the one that just worked on it. But he might deserve a chance. If it was myself, it would be a gratis call.
  • drhvac drhvac @ 7:46 PM
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    what to do

    Icesailor, what is the procedure when you know a homeowner has pushed the reset 20 times and the chamber is filled with oil?
  • Jamie Hall Jamie Hall @ 9:45 PM
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    Call the fire department?

    Seriously.  If you suspect that a burner has been treated that way (anything more than two or three pushes), you may have accumulated enough oil in there to have some really serious consequences if you get the burner to fire.

    At the very least, open the firebox up and see what you have.  I would mop up any visible oil.  If there is a fibreglas mat in there -- there often is -- remove and replace it with a new one if it seems to be oily.

    Check and make sure that your breaching is tight -- all the screws in where they should be, etc..  I might also close and hold closed  with a tool the baro damper if there is one.

    Then maybe give it a try... but stand back.  Things can get very very exciting.

    To the OP: this is not a homeowner problem.  I'd get the original company back; it should be a free call.  But get a pro; don't even try to fix it yourself.
    Jamie

    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.

    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-McClain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • icesailor icesailor @ 12:35 AM
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    What do I do:

    First of all, everything that Jamie Hall says is the right thing.
    My experience is that the homeowner never tells you that they have been hitting the reset "20 times". They only hit it "once or twice over a couple of days".
    I've never seen a floater, but I've seen a lot of "Soakers". I hit the reset and service switch. If it doesn't start instantly, or has a delayed oil valve but I don't hear the spark "scratching". I shut it off and start troubleshooting the problems. However, sometimes, it will fire off immediately. As soon as I hear it fire, I shut it off, no matter what, IMMEDIATELY!! Especially if it starts to rumble. If I hear it flaming inside, I stop and let the flame burn out, no matter how long it takes. If it is burning off the oil, and I restart it, there will be one heck of an explosion. Wait it out. Don't open any inspection ports to look for a flame. Just listen. Open up a port, add fresh air, go BOOM. Look in the barometric to see if there is smoke. Switch the control to a latch up after three tries control like a CCT *0600 control. They never know how to unlatch them. That's why they started making them. Those 45 second controls aren't much better than the old, illegal RA117 stack switches. CCT 60200 control doesn't see flame in 15 seconds, it trips out. Three strikes and your out.
    Calling the fire department is like calling the circus parade drop the clowns off.
  • Rrey Rrey @ 6:32 AM
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    Second chance?

    It takes a heck of alot of pushes of the button to soak that chamber. A 1.0 Gph nozzle at 45 sec a push..That is one persistent homeowner. If I'm worried about oil buildup to the point it might pop, I light a piece of paper and drop it in the chamber. You can control how fast it burns by how much air you allow in. If it gets too much with the view door open It'll try to pop out at you.
    Sounds like the guy left something a little off, mby poor electrode spacing, too much air, or a weak transformer that couldn't take a change.
    I'd bring the guy back out for a warranty call and give him a chance to prove himself.
  • drhvac drhvac @ 9:02 AM
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    delay

    This is one of the other things that scares me about getting into oil. I assume its pretty rare that you get one that is that soaked like Rrey said? Icesailor if i understand you right, You turn it on and then off quickly so that if there is a build up of oil it will light and be contained in the chamber and burn off? Or I like Rreys way also by manually lighting it and letting it burn.
  • icesailor icesailor @ 10:58 AM
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    Manual lighting:

    Manually light it with a piece of paper thrown into the combustion chamber? Why not throw a hand grenade in. You might get the same results if it is hot enough that the oil is above the flash point.
    What I do is from my experience and I use instinct. Something you develop a "feel for".
    If you fire it off too soon and it is burning, it can explode. Invigorating.
    I always refrained from calling the local fire personnel because they usually had some fire expert that would blame the problem on my, not the one that caused the problem in the first place.
  • icesailor icesailor @ 11:00 AM
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    Flooded chambers:

    In all my years, I never saw a flooded chamber. That pretty much ended with eliminating RA 117 stack switches. I always heard about them. Just never saw one/
    Urban legend maybe?
  • rick in Alaska rick in Alaska @ 12:32 AM
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    flooded chamber

     Quite a few years back I encountered a flooded chamber on a combination oil/wood boiler. The homeowner had just bought the house and was in the process of moving in when he came in and noticed there was no heat. He went to the boiler and found it running and with fuel leaking out the chamber on to the cement floor and down through the floor drain. He shut everything down and called me in. When i got there a couple of hours later, you could smell the fuel from outside. i took the combustion chamber door off and spent the next  hour cleaning out oil from every bit of the cast iron and then religning the chamber floor with a new kaowool blanket.
     After reassembling everything, i tackled the burner and found that the transformer had died and the primary control would not shut off. I replaced the parts and fired it off with the way Icesailor does it. I will leave the inspection port open just enough to keep the flame burning without coming out as I don't  want it to be just smoldering. I have found by experience that if the fire goes out and is smoldering and you try to light it too soon, it makes a bad boom and the barometric leaves the chimney! We did a controlled burn on that thing for 4 hours before we were able to get it to burn off enough so that the burner could take over. Definitely not one I would ever want to see again.
     Not sure what he wound up doing about the floor drain that dumped in to his septic tank, and exactly how much did go in, but I know he did pour some type of chemical he got from the fuel company down the drain to "neutralize" the potential for fire in the drain line. Hopefully it cleared it all up, but not sure.
    Rick
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  • hotpipe hotpipe @ 6:40 PM
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    saw a miller gun chamber

    Burn for an hour on the customers front lawn, and when it died out, the tech reinstalled it and fired the furnace right up.
    Don't blame me, I voted for the old war hero and the business expert!!!!
  • Kakashi Kakashi @ 8:34 PM
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    Keep pushing it

    Dig your grave deeper and deeper. I have only seen two really oil soaked one was from a retard and an 8184g and the other was a bad stack relay.

    I have had a lot of chochoo trains tho :) Only one scared the hell out of me, I threw an adjustable in the draft regulator and watched from behind a wall. I learned to never trust a home owner again...if I know they pressed it more then 3 times I move my tools to where I came in at and I ask again...they tend to be more honest when you do that.

    Like I said, depending on what they have t-pride wm blue or gold or some units with a nice sight door to where I and look in and see for myself. That would be my "day" work answer aside from a t-pride they are getting a new chamber. T-prides are tanks, put some rages in and take out as much oil as you can use a fire extinguisher to kinda coat the inside and then chooochooo.
    This post was edited by an admin on April 5, 2014 8:49 PM.
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