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  • Jamie Hall Jamie Hall @ 8:59 PM
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    The results are not conclusive

    yet.

    As some of you may remember, I have been keeping very close records of the fuel burn of the system in the museum I keep watch over for several years now, and I have also been trying various experiments -- within admittedly rather narrow limits -- on the effect of varying building temperature and setbacks.  So the following is based on ten years' worth of records.

    A couple of disclaimers. 

    First, and most important, you mileage may vary.  This is just one system, and one building.

    Second, the effect of infiltration, which is very significant, is strongly affected by wind -- and while there are decent wind records for certain weather stations, they are limited.  I have extracted and corrected for the effect of wind to the extent that I can with the available data, but that leaves a tremendous amount of variation from that source which obscures the information from the temperature changes.

    Whew.  That said...

    Conclusions to date.

    First, higher indoor temperature settings do mean increased fuel burn.  Not rocket science, but it is nice to have the theory and the study results confirm each other!  the effect is approximately (but not exactly) linear.

    Second, a reasonably small setback (3 degrees) may make a small fuel savings, but the effect is not statistically significant.

    I have only one data point for a larger setback, and that from some years ago (before Charles!) when the burner failed for a day.  The "setback" was about 15 degrees; the fuel burn on that one occasion was statistically significantly greater (about 20%).

    I can't study larger setbacks in my position, as the damage to items in the museum would be too great.  There are a lot of things which don't take kindly to fluctuating temperatures... such as pianos, paintings, books...

    For what it's worth.
    Jamie

    Building superintendent/caretaker, 7200 sq. ft. historic house museum with dependencies in New England.

    Hoffman Equipped System (all original except boiler), Weil-McClain 580, 2.75 gph Carlin, Vapourstat 0.5 -- 6.0 ounces per square inch
  • MarkS MarkS @ 5:57 AM
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    Fuel consumption

    Thanks for taking this on, Jamie. As with most things, the "common wisdom" regarding setbacks isn't as cut and dried as one would think.

    What I find most interesting about your results is "a reasonably small setback (3 degrees) may make a small fuel savings, but the effect is not statistically significant." Put another way, this would seem to indicate that a small setback doesn't necessarily result in increased fuel usage, which is one of the often-stated reasons against setbacks.
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  • conversiontime conversiontime @ 3:31 PM
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    agree

    Every system will vary slightly. I was curious about this last season and did a very informal test one weekend when weather was similar 2 days straight.  I ran the boiler, once with no swing (static temp call) vs programmed swing of 3 degree setback over same timeframe. (Note the setback had to be forced via programming or override as smartpro offers no swing). The swing setting ran around 5+-% less total time burn.

    In the end to me it seems mostly a matter of comfort as swing does lead to cooler temp which may bother some. Also we run hot water off boiler coil -- so a 4 setback in AM is very efficient  in providing hot water for shower, kitchen, laundry, etc while also warming the house while we get ready for the day. Except on the coldest days this forced swing programming on static smartpro is better for us.

    Also as Jamie noted logically to keep house warm at lower temp = less fuel. I opine that every house may have "base temp" that the house more naturally gravitates toward (e.g. my 90 yo brick house has a lower base temp). The boiler burns much less fuel to keep my house at 65 degrees than 70. 60 seems to be a real sweet spot for boiler as it can keep this base temp with much shorter burns. Of course most people would think keeping your house 60-66 is way too cold but after living outside for several years straight a base of 65 always feels great to me. I can see my wife rolling her eyes "...it feels warm to me honey"
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