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Charlie from wmass

Charlie from wmass

Joined on September 21, 2006

Last Post on August 11, 2014

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No a bit newer than that one Frank.

@ December 15, 2009 9:38 PM in Any comments on the Utica Boilers TriFire?

It is the one just before they added the swing door. Too bad the old boiler did not hold out a couple years longer it would have made cleanings much easier. It took longer cleaning that one Utica in the old style than it did to clean her 2 smith 8's next door. all three boilers were about the same condition to start with.

Bad idea for a couple of reason.

@ December 15, 2009 9:33 PM in Radiant heat from hot water tank

Reason 1. Legionela. this can occur with stagnant water and the radiant loops will be stagnant when not warming the room. Reason 2. You will have a loss in hot water capacity when you are trying to warm the room.
What may be a better answer is a small indirect water heater pulling off the steam boiler acting as a heat exchanger for the radiant zone. this would act as a seperator between the steam boilers water and the radiant controls and tubing.
Answer number 2 is install cast iron base board in the room for spreading out the warmth over a wider area than a radiator does.
The fact radiators have a very close heat curve to radiant heat makes them my favorite choice if you already have a steam boiler. K.I.S.S. keep it super simple.

What makes the wall different.

@ December 15, 2009 9:21 PM in What makes the wall different.

One thing I found tonight that makes this a unique site is the free advice and open dialog. I was looking up a question for a friends car and came upon a site that promised quick answers from certified techs for her make of car. To get the answer there you have to tell them what you are willing to pay for an answer be it $9, $15, or $30. They state that you will get a faster answer if you pay more. I was also quoted on what their techs get an hour to work on cars. Funny how things are. No I did not pay for an answer so I can not judge them. I am just noticeing a difference in approaches is all.

Funny how you are the only one.

@ December 15, 2009 3:01 PM in Anyone else havnf trouble with 3-speed Grundfos

I never accept or believe that answer. You may want to open them up and check for rubbing of the impeller or a bit of debris in the housing.

Careful sand blasting

@ December 15, 2009 2:50 PM in cleaning steam radiators and risers

I prefer for radiators to be treated on site for finish if possible. sand blasting if done too aggressively can cause issues when none were visible before hand. Note I said visible not that they were not present. Dan has painting radiators in the archives. As he says "wander off the wall" you will enjoy it.

How many guys to crimp that joint?

@ December 14, 2009 10:31 PM in 2" pex for radiant heat

Well the loop lengths  should be fun to figure. I am guessing there was a typo. 2" Pex I am thinking one would better to go with wrought Iron if they want that much mass. I was on a tour in an old Victorian Green house and the radiant system for the green house was steam fired in 4" cast iron bell and spigot pipe.  I will bring my camera next time. Wisteriahurst was the name of the home.  It is in Holyoke,MA.

I agree.

@ December 14, 2009 10:19 PM in Any comments on the Utica Boilers TriFire?

When Smith was made just down the road I was much more loyal though. Smith must get a good deal on cast iron since their boiler has enough for 2 boilers in each one. Every boiler to its proper place.  Some to the basement and some to the scrap yard. I am glad I do not install the Smith on the second floor for sure. I can see the tri fire out pace the star fire in the Utica line for sure though. The star fire's predecessor I just got done working on is still in excellent shape 20 years later. She is firing 84% with oil for a steam system.

cast iron base board.

@ December 14, 2009 9:57 PM in help with 1 cold radiator

To keep the system low profile castiron baseboard may work for you.  Whether 12 feet is enough or too much for the room is a question.

Weezy what does the left side do?

@ December 14, 2009 9:47 PM in help with 1 cold radiator

The right side has a pipe going up into the valve from below. What does the left end do? The taco is less than ideal for this setup. I am thinking the valve should be counter-clockwise. I am wondering if it is a water or steam valve. WHat happens to the pipe dropping off the left end into the basement?

people just look at the numbers

@ December 14, 2009 9:35 PM in Any comments on the Utica Boilers TriFire?

Frank when Smith can reach 86 with pins it is hard to sell three pass to a cunsumer for 86.5. The guys who have to clean them and install them know that the three pass is better.

I do not install Rothe tanks.

@ December 14, 2009 9:30 PM in Hum from Basement Oil Tank

I start with that disclaimer. I thought they had to be piped 2 pipe as you come off the top of the tank. I am thinking the tank being a poly tank in a metal tank that allows for a lot of resonance. I like the idea of the Rothe tanks I am just noting some possible sources for the noise. a 40 year old pump can has a good amount of wear on it. A new pump is a start. Unless a new boiler is on the horizon.

Picture please?

@ December 14, 2009 8:58 PM in help with 1 cold radiator

Are you sure it is piped 2 pipe?  Baseboard on one pipe is ussually under 4 feet long.

Try the find a pro link.

@ December 14, 2009 8:53 PM in Hot water will not flow from boiler to radiant installed floors

Too late in the year for too much guessing. It only takes one knowledgeable person to fix it.

It does not sound like an air issue

@ December 14, 2009 8:49 PM in airbound I think

Did you need a new pump?

And the holidays get a little brighter.

@ December 14, 2009 1:08 PM in I'm a Grandpa!

I bought a 6" ridgid pipe wrench and had it engraved when each of my boys was born. Congratulations Dan and best to the whole family.

had to go to continueing ed this morning

@ December 12, 2009 2:14 PM in It was working a few weeks ago, now none work

So whats the verdict any heat yet?

It may have been there

@ December 11, 2009 10:56 PM in Vapor system vent replacement question.

Frank with the old boiler. The present boiler may have a much lower water line than is required for the system to work as first installed?

Do as said start at 5 and get the heat going.

@ December 11, 2009 10:50 PM in It was working a few weeks ago, now none work

You can worry about balance once  you have heat. the radiator valves are all open now right? All counter clockwise?

you may have to wait

@ December 11, 2009 10:47 PM in It was working a few weeks ago, now none work

the steam will not come on until the downstairs needs heat. Can you ask them to turn up the temp?

Boilers usually have there own water feeds

@ December 11, 2009 10:37 PM in airbound I think

the hose bibbs/ boiler drains are for letting out the air not forcing in water. are there any little chrome valves on the baseboards upstairs?

does it look like the first or second picture?

@ December 11, 2009 10:26 PM in It was working a few weeks ago, now none work

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@ December 11, 2009 10:09 PM in Thermostat control and Pressure control

The Tekmar 269 control gives outdoor temperature input and uses latent heat. [url=] 
This may do what you want?
I have never installed one but I am sure one of the guys who work on the big systems have used one.