Charlie from wmass
Joined on September 21, 2006
Last Post on December 9, 2013
@ February 1, 2009 11:32 PM in The More Heating Zones Myth.My issue with panel rads is stemmed from bad experiance on my first few. I installed a whole system for a family where the Husband knew the wholesaler and bought the whole system from pex to rads to Buderus boiler himself. I install the system and everyone was and is happy. I then got a few customers to place panel rads in choice locations in their homes. Of the 12 I purchased 8 had leaks. That soured me. The units had been miss handled between the factory and my job sites. I never blamed the manufacturer but I am not gun shy about using them. I feel you can over zone but it does not cause excess fuel usage(IMHO) but excess electrical usage. Over sized boilers are a whole nother debate. With the recent cold spells over sized needs to be reexamined. I have rounded boiler sizes up for people and I got 0 calls from them even in the coldest weather about lack of heat. I did have several calls for other installers systems where some zones needed to be shut off just so a few thermostats would come up to temp. I am not sure the 7 section vs the 6 section boiler would have wasted that much heat. But it would have reached design temps.
@ January 31, 2009 10:24 AM in Pressure never buildsIf this is the size of the rads then you are right on with boiler size. 8 of these ( first picture) if they are 26 inches high are 392 sq ft. 8 if they are 23 inches high are 336 sq ft. If the system is heating the home well do not worry about the pressure as long as water use is normal and you have no leaks. Comfort is the question here. How clean is the water? It may be the boiler needs flushed out so it is not actually making 380.
@ January 30, 2009 7:08 PM in Mixing Valvehttp://customer.honeywell.com/honeywell/ProductInfo.aspx/AM101R-UT-1 Here is the specs from honeywell. I say it is a good valve but you can read the description yourself and decide.
@ January 30, 2009 5:28 PM in Steam versus Hot WaterI must say my own church just did as yours is looking to do. I was very disappointed but they got "great" rebates from the local gas supplier for switching from oil. Teaches me to not go to church every Sunday. The driving force for the change was based on how noisy the old system was. I did not find out until I read the news letter after the job was done.
@ January 30, 2009 5:23 PM in Pressure never buildsYou will need pics of rads, pics of near boiler piping, and height and number of sections of each rad. yourr boiler should produce 380 sq ft of steam depending on the series.
@ January 30, 2009 4:25 PM in Pressure never buildsIt may be the boiler is sized very close the actual EDR. trhe first question is are there any leaks? The second is the piping typical and as per manufacturers recommendations? Do you know what the EDR is for your system?
@ January 30, 2009 4:02 PM in A dollar an hour (Dan H.)Too bad the labour laws do not allow that. I think that is what some low bidders hope to earn though.
@ January 26, 2009 10:23 PM in Need a pro who likes BEER!Must be a plumbing trait as My father and I both are home brewers. Started back in the days when it was hard to find real beer in the stores.
@ January 26, 2009 10:21 PM in H.B.Smith stopping productionis it the same place that makes the trio boiler for FW Webb?
@ January 22, 2009 2:03 PM in water heater or boiler for hydronic app?Joe it sounds like you are using the tankless on the boiler for domestic water and radiant heat? They need to be seperate for safety on the domestic side. Also a domestic coil may not have the capacity to heat the radiant zone.
@ January 22, 2009 1:52 PM in This Historic Day (1/20/09)Mr Eayrs I come from a long line of informed working class people. We often debate history, politics and other world events. I feel that political debate often goes awrye on computer forums unless it is gang mentality and follow the leader. I see them both as bad things by the way. I feel most contributers to this forum have a good repoire. I just would prefer it stay that way. There are plenty of other forums for political disscussion on the internet. To be truth full I would rather sit down to a pint and debate with Mr. Harvey then a poli sci major any given day. I know I have a few in the family.
@ January 22, 2009 1:12 PM in Where's the G-8??here is a link to smith literature. http://www.smithboiler.com/html/litlibrary.asp The G8 is the top file on the list.
@ January 21, 2009 11:30 PM in radiator bangingBob are you sure it is a steam radiator valve on the unit? Some lower end hot water radiator valves can cause water to pool in the radiator. Also as ROd said make sure the valve is actually functioning properly
@ January 21, 2009 11:25 PM in cycleguard lwco + 2-pipe vaporROn I agree I was hoping it to be field programable. even perhaps a few micro switches for choosing what suits the system. as in if there are great returns then allow a longer run between tests or if return piping is not so good then test on the basic schedule.
@ January 21, 2009 11:19 PM in H.B.Smith stopping productionI am sorry to see them going as I liked the idea of them being made just down the turnpike from me. The ironic thing is they are the one boiler line I find hardest to find a distributer for here. I know there number one distributer in my region. I just never found their number two. My girlfriends house has a H.B. Smith steam system complete from the day they got central heat including a Smith snowman (102) and Smith steam radiators. There is even an old hot water generator in the steam main, now disconnected though.
@ January 21, 2009 11:12 PM in DIY Install-Not Good!!-PGPAs my Da says "If they did it right what would you be doing today?" I had a customer and class mate and friend of the family insist he was going to run his own tubing for radiant heat. He also bought his distibution panel online pre made from some place out west. It looked pretty I will admit and the tubing, Onix, was hung nice and straight. the thing was where he had the manifolds was 10 to 30 feet from the distibution panel. He also was told he did not have to double up his loops for the half wall height in from the outside wall as it said in the I&O. Well they were right he did not have to, but he now has to run 170 plus degree water to heat through his floor. Also what the manifold cost to ship and the cost of the parts was considerably more than I would have charged to install the related piping and controls had it been from scratch. Well happy sawzalling. and at least you can save the good name of radiant heating in the end.
@ January 21, 2009 11:02 PM in water heater or boiler for hydronic app?Do you know a mega steam oil boiler can reach 86% AFUE? The buderus should save over a tank heater. I know water conditions can be fixed the issue I tend to have is people do not fix them or forget to maintain things such as softeners or neutralizers.
@ January 21, 2009 10:53 PM in Boiler DesignGee I hope not. I am curious why one would want such an item though. Aside from noise why put the unit in the weather kind of hard to keep heat loss down on such a unit.
@ January 21, 2009 10:45 PM in cycleguard lwco + 2-pipe vaporGarret the lwco test cycle is a good idea if you have the float type already installed and you are comfortable in temporaially pulling the cycle guard out for a test run then try it for a week. I would be concerned if the unit was not going to be watched for that time as there is no point in messing with it if it is heating the home evenly. insulating pipes checking for leaking steam vents and what not may help you realize the savings you are looking for. The warranty may require the cycle guard though. It is a lot of money to spend for the other cycle guard if the manufactures tech dept can not give you an answer to fuel savings. Tekmar has a control the D269 that may help but not sure the savings will be worth the investment.
@ January 21, 2009 10:32 PM in Going in for SurgeryBest of luck. Heres to a quick recovery.
@ January 21, 2009 10:29 PM in This Historic Day (1/20/09)I figured since the subject was broached why not drop in my 2 cents. That won't even buy a cuppa these days but I felt a differing opinion was worth dropping in. Hypocritical I am aware but still with in the realm of free speech.
@ January 21, 2009 3:00 PM in This Historic Day (1/20/09)Well I am amazed that people say Obama was voted in due to his race. I think this day showed that despite the overt racsims in this nation we as a ppeople are embracing the hope of the future. I do not think two candidates more exemplified the divide between ties to the past and ties to the future as the two men who ran in this past election. while I respect the technical knowledge shared on this board I feel politics should be left elsewhere. As far as customers choosing one proffessionel over another due to poltics this is nothing new and while Mr. Harveys statements will drive away some it will call to others and we all have that right. JUst as some join the Rotary, the Lodge, the elks, the Fire Department, or even choose there Temple for business propogation. I respectfully choose to celebrate the election of a half white, half black 100% American who can articulate an idea to the office of these United States and I welcome an era of Hope and Welcome the demise of an era of fear. We will always need to be mindful of those who wish to do us harm as a nation but I do not believe fear sits well as a motivator for me.