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Charlie from wmass

Charlie from wmass

Joined on September 21, 2006

Last Post on April 14, 2014

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@ November 10, 2008 9:43 PM in Hot Water

MaryAnn the water is actually closer to boiling when you are running for heat. A plumber can install a tempering valve to maintain a lower and even water temp to the faucets. WHen we install a tankless heater like you have we always install a mixing valve to control the water temp.

@ November 10, 2008 9:28 PM in What's wrong with this picture....

In Mass we would need to run iron to the ceiling and anchor the pipe to the structure. I have decided that unless I am backed into a corner I will not use CSST but guess I will be the last one buying iron at the supply house. Codes vary we all know as it seems you need a passport and a translator to go from state to state in the trade. Your logic works well for the cards you were dealt but why not go with two boilers closer in size?

@ November 10, 2008 8:22 PM in HELP!

Is the unit programed properly? It could be the domestic water setting is low. The last one I installed I got a call back after a few months and the owners tenants father "adjusted" it for better heating and actually turned the domestic hot water mode to 120 degrees but the indirect was running on an aquastat not a sensor. so when the 130 degree aquastat called for heat it was only getting 120 degree water. This caused the unit to stay on domestic mode instead of running on the outdoor reset. Not sure if it helps but they now have heat and the father is banned from the boiler room.

@ November 10, 2008 8:16 PM in Water Heater instead of Boiler

A water heater is around 35- 50 K BTU and is simply not made like a boiler to extract heat from the flue gasses and transfer them to water. Also I would check the warranty and the fact a water heater may not be listed as a heat source for a dwelling so any home owners insurance would not cover the heater or damages caused by anything that did go wrong with the unit. Boilers are boilers.

@ November 10, 2008 6:06 PM in Found this today

water powered sump pump is my guess. or maybe a pressure booster?

@ November 10, 2008 6:02 PM in Liability insurance/worker comp

We use Travelers, it is the agent that makes the price difference. CAll around and get quotes from several agents.

@ November 10, 2008 5:56 PM in Is the System 2000 the best for an old farm house?

Is the system hot water or steam? system 2000 is only for hot water. Make sure a proper heat load is done for sizing the boiler, as the former installer in my area did many under and over sized boilers. over wastes fuel and under leaves you cold. I prefer a cast iron boiler or a mod-con for a gas boiler.

@ November 9, 2008 8:05 PM in New England fashion?

I say wear the cowboy hat as you are what you are and here in the berkshires anything goes with fashion.

@ November 7, 2008 2:11 AM in Favorite Greenday song

I know I am too old for this stuff but WHat is your favorite Greenday song? We are trying to get the younger folks involved in the learning around here. This from the guiy who just spent an hour cleaning vinyl to play on his RCA console.

@ November 7, 2008 2:04 AM in hand help pipe machine help

Gary I got an old oster power head I could part with. where are you located? As for parts you would be better contacting Rigid direct I think it would be 1. faster and 2. cheaper.

@ November 7, 2008 2:01 AM in Homeowner advice on replacing boiler/hot water tank

Tim do a heat loss for the house as it is now and also check the radiators for what they can produce. You may find they will not require as hot of water as 180 for the cold months. Also you are talking free standing column radiators and not baseboard? COndensing boilers that are set up with outdoor resets save a lot of fuel in the "betweens" when the system does not require such hot water to warm the home. Also many new boilers are being sized more for domestic hot water production than for heat loads as everyone thinks they need 80 to 100 gallon indirect water heaters, I have commited this sin when indirects were new to me. Often this is not the case but you know what you use best. I tend to install 40 or max of 50 gallon heaters unless the people own a hot tub. As for solar, in Chicago photo voltaic may be a better choice than hot water production, but if you are sure you want solar then I would lean to the Viessmann as they also make solar equipment and they are made to go together with factory direct parts.

@ November 7, 2008 1:44 AM in Piping

Worst I have seen so far for undersized piping was a 12 zone system with two 225k btu boilers piped in series with 0ne 007 circulator and one inch copper piping. gee do you see a problem? I do wish I had taken pictures as the before and after was amazing. BTW the job was installed by the low bidder and fixed by the high bidder for triple the original price difference. The question is not can you afford to pay for the better job, it is can you afford not to?

David I must agree

@ November 7, 2008 1:29 AM in Please Pick Apart this Install

I am a plumber and a heating contractor, second generation in fact. I often see this type of installation around me and it is as often done by "proffessional"heating companies as it is by plumbers. The thing consumers do not know here in Mass is there is no license for heating system installers. There is a gas fitters license, oil burners license, a plumbing license, and even a pipe fitters license, but not heating system license so often the installer is not at all trained in proper installation. Apparantly they also can not read as any installation manuel would advise them on better ways to pipe a boiler than actually most steam boilers I come across.

@ November 7, 2008 1:20 AM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Must have been up towards route 2 east of shelburne falls? I am down in Lee. Locals do not boat in our river. We saw what was dumped in it over the years. It is being cleaned up but the fish are still unfit for human consumption. I tend to stick to the mountain lakes and ponds I prefer the still water. Good luck with the system and let us know how the fuel bills work out, I would like some hard numbers from a conversion. I never seem to find hard numbers from people after they convert to gas as to the cost difference.

@ November 7, 2008 1:00 AM in Gravity system questions

This is how Robert Starbuck and Sons 1953 book Modern Heating Illustrated says to pipe it. It is the right hand illustration.

@ November 7, 2008 12:39 AM in Sleepless in Boston!

Just occured to me the return line may also be plugged. I am sure a repipe of at least the header and a look over the returns, probably need to be changed to the old water line of the first boiler. You should be all right the boiler is a brand we have had good luck with as far as being a work horse so it should be worth the time to pipe it right.

@ November 7, 2008 12:27 AM in copper piping a commercial steam boiler

this is why it is usually welded for larger pipe now. Some dinosaurs ( read us) still have the dies for up to 4 inch even up to 6 inch. We still thread for up to 4 inch but not much call for it as of late.

@ November 6, 2008 8:01 AM in Sleepless in Boston!

Steamhead When I come across a system like this I often wonder with all the repiping involved does it not worrant a new boiler? I mena by the time I mess around with the old , probably miss sized unit, as I doubt if they piped it that way the bothered doing a proper load calculation, would the cost of a new boiler really be that out of line? I understand budgets come into play.

@ November 5, 2008 7:41 PM in Sleepless in Boston!

Jason I am 2 1/2 hours west of boston I think the driving time would be an issue. but this looks like a low bidder job for sure. I used to think the hacks were only in the small towns and the country. Guess they have passports to all parts of the state.

@ November 5, 2008 7:37 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Mark every other weekend I need to drive to Rockland, MA to pick up my boys from their mother so I am familiar with your end of the state. I am sure that there are some good guys but it is hard to filter through when it is dollars wasted to learn if they know what they are doing. If things get to the point you need to contact me you can email me at I thought there was a good outfit in rockland Hoadley I think is the name, have you tried them?

@ November 5, 2008 7:30 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Thanks Mark for you reasoning behind your choice. You should remember that a gas unit should be maintained even though they seldom are. I find a once over each year can prevent a small issue from being a big one, such as a dripping flange causing a premature failure of a circulator, or a worn expansion tank causing issues with the rest of the system. As for finding Reiello tachs in MA I do not know of many companies out here in Berkshire county who do not have several guys who are well trained with them and also parts are availlible in every wholesaler in the county. I often see gas or oil is more then just dollars and cents. I seems tech support is more of an issue to many people.

@ November 3, 2008 10:46 PM in sheeeese...

Gee can't you just use an electric instant water heater and save that nasty gas bill??? (sarcastic answer btw) Amazing what passes as a heating system. Kind of jaded today spent it repairing scorched air systems.