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Charlie from wmass

Charlie from wmass

Joined on September 21, 2006

Last Post on August 11, 2014

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@ November 7, 2008 1:44 AM in Piping

Worst I have seen so far for undersized piping was a 12 zone system with two 225k btu boilers piped in series with 0ne 007 circulator and one inch copper piping. gee do you see a problem? I do wish I had taken pictures as the before and after was amazing. BTW the job was installed by the low bidder and fixed by the high bidder for triple the original price difference. The question is not can you afford to pay for the better job, it is can you afford not to?

David I must agree

@ November 7, 2008 1:29 AM in Please Pick Apart this Install

I am a plumber and a heating contractor, second generation in fact. I often see this type of installation around me and it is as often done by "proffessional"heating companies as it is by plumbers. The thing consumers do not know here in Mass is there is no license for heating system installers. There is a gas fitters license, oil burners license, a plumbing license, and even a pipe fitters license, but not heating system license so often the installer is not at all trained in proper installation. Apparantly they also can not read as any installation manuel would advise them on better ways to pipe a boiler than actually most steam boilers I come across.

@ November 7, 2008 1:20 AM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Must have been up towards route 2 east of shelburne falls? I am down in Lee. Locals do not boat in our river. We saw what was dumped in it over the years. It is being cleaned up but the fish are still unfit for human consumption. I tend to stick to the mountain lakes and ponds I prefer the still water. Good luck with the system and let us know how the fuel bills work out, I would like some hard numbers from a conversion. I never seem to find hard numbers from people after they convert to gas as to the cost difference.

@ November 7, 2008 1:00 AM in Gravity system questions

This is how Robert Starbuck and Sons 1953 book Modern Heating Illustrated says to pipe it. It is the right hand illustration.

@ November 7, 2008 12:39 AM in Sleepless in Boston!

Just occured to me the return line may also be plugged. I am sure a repipe of at least the header and a look over the returns, probably need to be changed to the old water line of the first boiler. You should be all right the boiler is a brand we have had good luck with as far as being a work horse so it should be worth the time to pipe it right.

@ November 7, 2008 12:27 AM in copper piping a commercial steam boiler

this is why it is usually welded for larger pipe now. Some dinosaurs ( read us) still have the dies for up to 4 inch even up to 6 inch. We still thread for up to 4 inch but not much call for it as of late.

@ November 6, 2008 8:01 AM in Sleepless in Boston!

Steamhead When I come across a system like this I often wonder with all the repiping involved does it not worrant a new boiler? I mena by the time I mess around with the old , probably miss sized unit, as I doubt if they piped it that way the bothered doing a proper load calculation, would the cost of a new boiler really be that out of line? I understand budgets come into play.

@ November 5, 2008 7:41 PM in Sleepless in Boston!

Jason I am 2 1/2 hours west of boston I think the driving time would be an issue. but this looks like a low bidder job for sure. I used to think the hacks were only in the small towns and the country. Guess they have passports to all parts of the state.

@ November 5, 2008 7:37 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Mark every other weekend I need to drive to Rockland, MA to pick up my boys from their mother so I am familiar with your end of the state. I am sure that there are some good guys but it is hard to filter through when it is dollars wasted to learn if they know what they are doing. If things get to the point you need to contact me you can email me at I thought there was a good outfit in rockland Hoadley I think is the name, have you tried them?

@ November 5, 2008 7:30 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Thanks Mark for you reasoning behind your choice. You should remember that a gas unit should be maintained even though they seldom are. I find a once over each year can prevent a small issue from being a big one, such as a dripping flange causing a premature failure of a circulator, or a worn expansion tank causing issues with the rest of the system. As for finding Reiello tachs in MA I do not know of many companies out here in Berkshire county who do not have several guys who are well trained with them and also parts are availlible in every wholesaler in the county. I often see gas or oil is more then just dollars and cents. I seems tech support is more of an issue to many people.

@ November 3, 2008 10:46 PM in sheeeese...

Gee can't you just use an electric instant water heater and save that nasty gas bill??? (sarcastic answer btw) Amazing what passes as a heating system. Kind of jaded today spent it repairing scorched air systems.

@ November 3, 2008 10:36 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

Ok since I install both systems and I do use an analyzer for both fuels I do not agree fully with the last 2 posts. I find a well maintained boiler does not have many break downs. I was under the understanding that oil had 40% more heat per unit. I also was under the understanding that the carbon footprint of such a change over would negate any reduction sought from gas. As for flower beds as a gardener I can plan around an occassional oil delivery and good suppliers are careful when they do deliver. I am not trying to talk people out of providing work I simply do not understand the math. Is there not also a shortage of natural gas that is supplemented with propane? Propane being the product of the same crude oil that the fuel oil comes from. As for the use of the last of the oil in the tank have you tested for a leak in the suction line?

@ November 3, 2008 6:59 PM in Burner stops when tank reaches 100 gallons

just wondering why go gas if you have a buderus with a reiello? AFUE drops when firing gas in oil boils far as I knew, am I wrong? I can see it being a thought when you have an old boiler and rebates are taken in to the mix.

@ November 2, 2008 10:18 AM in Does the low water test make my system less efficient?

Can you send a few pics of the near boiler piping and the return lines?

@ October 29, 2008 10:46 AM in CRACKED cast iron pipe

They may have been cracked from the day they went in and just with wear are showing a leak. When the old timers of less than high standards cracked a piece when cutting it they often just grabbed the asphalt paint and covered up hairline cracks. Even then they had hacks.

@ October 29, 2008 10:42 AM in Burnam Mega Steam won't shut off

Check for micro switches on the t stat. I am not familiar with the one you used but the honey well digital round t stat has 3 switches that need adjusted for steam systems.

@ October 28, 2008 1:26 PM in New Twist on HeatingHelp?

Windows are said to be the least effective return for your money of any up grade. Insulation depends on what you add and how many R's you can increase the system. A new boiler starts saving the first day it fires and with a proper installation has the fastes return if you system is as old as a 1950's model. Just my 2 cents. Have fun with the new baby mine are 5 and 8 now and it is a fun and wild ride.

@ October 27, 2008 11:00 PM in I smell gas...

yep from the description and the pic it is clear who had the gasket issue. At least they seem to stand behind te stainless steel boilers they have sold under another color of jacket. There was a recall on their condensate wye fitting but they sent me the parts and a check to defer some of the cost of changing the parts. I will check them as I install thanks for the heads up.

H.B.Smith G8

@ October 22, 2008 4:15 PM in Who make the most fuel efficiency steam boiler?

I thing in gass they are the most efficient due to their wet base design, but with the power burner they can not run without electricity as some of the old steam units with powerpiles could. I can not find the actual A.F.U.E. ratings for them when fired on gas. Does anyone have the ratings?

@ October 9, 2008 1:44 PM in Lack of heat question

Starch is right that is a boiler feed pressure regulator. job must be near me if it is that goofy. I wonder if they have one feeding the boiler? Any pics of the boiler piping?

@ October 6, 2008 9:32 PM in good day to be a plumber

Ok stopped by the holey water spout today. Turns out the wter pressure has been low for the whole house for years. Funny how now it is an issue. They have over 50 pounds pressure when the faucets are running. Could be the 3/4" compression stop on the main and the fact the main runs 60 feet to the street and it is 3/4" up to the first bathroom, now 2 and a half bathrooms in the house from the original one bathroom. no mention of water pressure before I started the work though or until I went there today.

Check the install manual.

@ October 6, 2008 9:06 PM in GB145 and Cast Iron Radiators

You need a heat exchanger with the aluminum block boilers or the iron in solution can clog the water passages. Other wise no issues. This goes for lots of iron in the manifolds or loops also. Also electrolosis. The high mass of the system and hopefully over sized rads should make for lower water temps for heating the house, which would be to the benefit of the Buderus. I could not find it in the current manuel maybe the WeilMcLain I am thinking of but I would say that the sludge and other goodies is the only thing to worry about. Maybe a good dirt seperator would also help. If all else fails check with buderus direct they have good people there from my experiance with them.