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Patchogue Phil

Patchogue Phil

Joined on October 16, 2002

Last Post on September 6, 2014

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@ September 6, 2014 12:28 PM in SUBMERGED Boilers and Water heater. What absolutely needs replacing?

What you say is true.

However,  in the aftermath of a natural disaster like hurricane Sandy new boilers were near impossible to get.  For a long time.

One probably could mail-order all the individual replacement parts from across the country overnight or within days.  If it had been much colder here (Long Island area) there'd have been lots of burst frozen water pipes.

Then there is the added labor charge of R&R the furnace or boiler vessel  versus the labor time to replace all the components while leaving the furnace/boiler in place. Some furnaces/boilers have simple components that can be swapped out relatively quickly.

It can be a tough choice,  depending upon the conditions at the time. 

Cost and time are major factors especially when people had other costly damage to fix from a flood. 

What caused the fire?

@ September 3, 2014 1:53 PM in SUBMERGED Boilers and Water heater. What absolutely needs replacing?

I don't have a water damaged furnace (or boiler) and I am not trying to "fix" a water damaged furnace (or boiler).

I am just curious which component caused the water damaged furnace to catch on fire??

Not understanding you

@ September 2, 2014 8:35 AM in Boiler electric feed on a male 3-prong S/O cord plug?

"For emergency cut off plugs are often verboten but wall switches are demanded? Can't the latter fuse closed?"

Please explain further.  Thanks.


@ March 30, 2014 11:11 PM in LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

Mom is 78 and doesn't want to spend the money.  Doesn't think it will be worth it for the time (she thinks) she has left.

Too much

@ March 26, 2014 3:29 PM in LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

Mom must be paying too much ....

Source: NYSERDA,"New York Home Propane Price Monitoring Program"

(last updated 03/25/2014)

Note: Full service residential customers credit price, typically these

accounts use annually 1,100 or more gallons of propane.

Dealers are surveyed weekly from September through March; April

through August, the survey is conducted twice a month.

Latest Surveyed Propane Prices

Cents Per Gallon

New York Statewide

Long Island Region

Middle Hudson Region

Capital District Region

North Country Region

Central Region

Western Region

delivery this month

@ March 26, 2014 2:38 PM in LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

$4.39/gallon for 151 gallons of LPG.
Last year it was less than $3.40/gallon. 


@ March 26, 2014 1:49 PM in LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

I figured it won't be an exact usage with in the field variables.

This is my Mom's boiler.  This thing uses a buttload of propane. Basically it is a big cast iron pot of water with a oven broiler flame bar!  LOL!

She won't replace it,  probably figures she won't live long enough to see a ROI. No Nat Gas in neighborhood.  Also has a standalone LP water heater,  probably 15 yrs old. 


LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

@ March 26, 2014 1:14 PM in LP Gas usage rating? GPH?

How is a gas burner rated as far as usage of fuel?

I know an oil burner is rated in gallons per hour,  derived via oil nozzle size and pump pressure.

Attached is a pic of a circa 1970 Hydrotherm gas boiler burning propane.  Plate says 100K input,  Gas(?) Output 80K,  Net rating  of 69K.

With propane having 91,547 BTU's/gallon (at 60*F),  is this burner using a little over a gallon of LP gas per hour?


@ March 7, 2014 11:14 AM in Cleaning a boiler.

Not if you do it right
and leave enough headroom.

With very much respect to you,  that is very vague.

How/what do you do "right" (versus regular tuning in Summer)?

And what do you mean by "headroom"?

Thanks!  :-)

Tune Time

@ March 6, 2014 10:23 PM in Cleaning a boiler.

If you tune an oil burner in Summer,  won't the settings be "off" for dead of Winter running?

dual-ing burners?

@ March 6, 2014 5:53 PM in intermittent lockouts

Any chance the lockout occurs when both oil burners fire at same time?

I have heard of one burner getting "starved" for oil while the other is firing at same time.  Usually happens when they share a single oil supply line and it is partially clogged/narrowed by years of gunk buildup,  or from a crimp in the line.

It is worth checking out.  perhaps the supply line needs to be blown out back towards the tank.  BTW,  is there a filter at the tank itself that needs to be replaced?


@ February 9, 2014 7:42 PM in how do I test a

" I am sure Mr Dan Hooligan (spelling) must pay you very well to be available to answer questions."


Whoa guys ...

@ February 1, 2014 10:23 PM in Heating solutions for naughty children?

...  I am thinking Katie has in-floor electric resistant heat,  or electric boiler with radiant floor heat.  And little kids that play with the thermostat.

I'd be surprised if she returns to post again.


@ January 25, 2014 8:18 PM in Hot water storage tank

The hot water coil inside the boiler is most likely only 1/2 inch connections for domestic HW.  More than 1/2" copper to feed the storage tank is wasted.  PEX at 1/2" might be smaller internally.

If the boiler temp is set to 180*,  you will not see 180* water from the output of the internal coil. It will be much less.  Especially on an older used boiler.

not mocking you

@ January 22, 2014 12:25 PM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

Not mocking you at all.

10*F ,  wind chill in negative F numbers,  a foot of white-out snow blizzard with no heat is not fun no matter where you live.   

I am not panicking at all,  but no reason to go out and drive in those conditions unless you are a first-responder.  With a 4x4. 

Cold at just shower?

@ January 21, 2014 6:34 PM in Cold Water coming out instead of Hot Water..When I need a hot shower...HELP

Is it just at the shower that gets cold?  Or at all faucets too?

If just at the shower then the problem could be the balancing shower controls.

add it up

@ January 21, 2014 4:48 PM in Time Meter for Riello F5 Burner

5,995 hours times (corrected) gph times price per gallon.

Gate valves

@ January 21, 2014 10:52 AM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

Close the gate valves to the system. Lucky you, I'm never that lucky.

I put the gate valves in to isolate the boiler w/o having to drain all the zones.  Got the idea from one of Dan's books.

Thanks for the advice;  I was hoping that would work.

Stem leak

@ January 21, 2014 9:58 AM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

Definitely leaking out from around the stem.


@ January 20, 2014 11:30 PM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

I just don't want to tempt fate with a 20 yr old steel boiler when we are getting a foot of snow tomorrow during these "Artic Blast" low temps upon my area.

Keepin boiler hot

@ January 20, 2014 11:26 PM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

"Is there some reason the boiler has to be hot?

Why not turn it off for a couple hours. then isolate and drain the boiler."

Yeah!  :-) 

Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

@ January 20, 2014 10:48 PM in Drain boiler to replace boiler drain?

The 1/4 turn boiler drain on my boiler is leaking from the stem.  Nothing to tighten or replace, seems the ball and stem is totally sealed in the two halves of the casting.

On the attached sketch,  the lower boiler drain is leaking.  I can isolate the boiler itself by shutting the two gate valves.   I am concerned about cracking the boiler if I drain out the water and then refill with cold water.  I probably can rig up feeding the boiler from the hot water tank.

What I am hoping is, if I remove the lower boiler drain (after relieving the pressure),  will the water will stay in the boiler (i.e. finger over the soda straw),  since all the gate valves are closed?  Will that work?  It is 3/4" thread into the lower boiler.
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