Heating Help

Btu for Indirect

@ May 7, 2007 10:57 AM in Who's right???

You do not have to account for the btu's for the indirect as you should be using a priority control thus making it irrelevant...

I think he's a little off

@ May 3, 2007 8:16 PM in The engineer wants 448K I calc 253K ??

I didn't get into the whole structure as I am not sure what you have but based on the wall btu loss he is a little off. To calculate btu through an outside wall. Formula is Ti - To divided by R-value = btu sqft In this case I am assuming that you have 6,264 sqft of outside wall. If R-Value is R-11 then that comes out to 6.36 btu sqft x 6,264 giving you a loss of 39,839 btus' through the wall. If R-Value is R-19 then that comes out to 3.68 btu sqft x 6,264 giving you a loss of 23,051 btu's through the wall Now you he didn't give any glass on the wall but you can use the same formula but take the sqft of glass away from the total outside wall calculate the wall then the glass and add them up.....

I think he's a little off

@ May 3, 2007 8:10 PM in The engineer wants 448K I calc 253K ??

> Here are his hand calcs, he wants a 764,000
> Raypak, I want two- 150K Lochinvar nights.
>
> I
> ran the calcs on Siggys program 233K, and Watts
> Radiant Works 253K.
>
> PLUS the engineer has
> seven 100K unit heater in the space also. So the
> gasline needs to be sized for 1.4m loads!
>
> Wish
> me luck I placing a call to him :)
>
> hot rod

American Universal

@ May 3, 2007 7:58 PM in What an ordeal to get a Megasteam

Madog, It's always nice to here when your sister company is talked about. The boy's at AU do a great job and we have alot to offer..Dave's a great rep.

R-Foil by COver Tech

@ April 30, 2007 7:17 PM in under slab insulation radiant/snowmelt

Ultra Barrier Foil CT3049 is the best buy far and belive it or not has a lifetime warrant in underslab insulations. 500 sqft to a roll but it costs a little more than the others. I sell it for about $300.00 a roll...Been using it for years. I could get into R-Values but that proably would start a another thread.

Short Cycle

@ April 30, 2007 7:07 PM in Opersting costs - oil vs propane

I'm confused...If your willing to spend the money on a modulating gas boiler then why wouldn't you spend the extra $$ on an outdoor reset control for the Crown CT or ODV boiler that you are using since the Munchkin is costing you much more out of the gate then the Crown. If you did you would basically have a modulating Oil boiler for less money than the muchkin..

You are Correct

@ April 30, 2007 7:00 PM in which new indirect water heater

Always use priority.

Jed I have to disagree here

@ April 30, 2007 6:58 PM in Warranty repair: charge for shipping?

As a wholesaler you are not incurring any freight charges on a TA007. The reason is that a TA007, the most common cir in the country is coming off your shelf and you don't order a 007 you order pallets of 007's and get freight free based on the manufactures terms. I think the installer in this case is making a couple of extra bucks and is using the freight as an excuse instead of calling it a service charge for filing the warranty on the customers behalf. If not and his wholesaler is charging him..Shame on his wholesaler.

An Indirect is an Indirect

@ April 29, 2007 7:04 PM in which new indirect water heater

As a water heater is a water heater. The all have just about the GPH ratings. Look at warranty that would be in the only difference the rest comes down to contractor comftablity in installation.. The question you should be asking is what size and do I use priority or not..At the btu rating you state you better be using priority controls and atleast a 60 Gal if not an 80 Gal based on your high dump load.

Follow-up to the supplement heat

@ April 29, 2007 3:58 PM in Panel Rads

I taking it that your whirpool is a drop in. If so, use the floor board as you subwall and then tile over. You can also do the same in the shower wall area to make up the btu's you should have plenty of loop length left after your floor based on my assumption that you are limited on floor space based on your information. I definitely would use an indirect over a instant as they limited you to gpm roughly around 3.5 gallons.

Panel Rads

@ April 29, 2007 3:46 PM in Panel Rads

Your in my neighborhood as I am in New Windsor...I can help you out with the rads. We sell Radson and Vasco. You can check them out out hydronicalternatives.com.

Depends

@ April 29, 2007 11:58 AM in Warranty repair: charge for shipping?

I can tell you this much as far as how we would handle this warranty for our contractors. He would return the pump to me. I would charge him for a replacement pump and credit the bad pump right off the bat (gotta keep the inventory straight). In turn I would hand the bad pump back to my taco rep the next time he came in (he comes in every month) and he would have a replacement pump shipped in before he left my building. No shipping charge what so ever. But his wholesaler my handle it in a different way.

I see

@ April 29, 2007 11:45 AM in HeatingHelp.com

Thanks Dan, I can understand..

Showrooms

@ April 29, 2007 11:42 AM in Showrooms

Do most of you that do the plumbing end of the home use your wholesaler's showroom or do you have your customer purchase themselves and you install? I ask this question for this reason. I have a beautiful kitchen and bath showroom. It's "ACTIVE". I have 4 working whirlpools, 2 working Air tubs, a working shower complete with body sprays and rain heads, working lav facuets and a working kitchen area featuring 17 working sinks and faucets to inclde pot fillers, garbage disposal, instant hot water makers, under coutner water chiller and point of use filtration. I also have a whole house carbon backwash filtration system set up as all of the above is filters, plumbed and vented into the buildings system. I am also in the process of adding a working steam shower and coming soon working towel warmers, panel baseboard and radiant displays. With all this I cannot get my trade guys to use my showroom as they say that the homeowners purchase the fixtures themselves because they can't make any $$$ on them. I tried to overcome this buy offering them a credit on there account between the differnce in price between what they would pay and what the homeowner would pay if they send people to the showroom but I can't even get them to do that. It's like they are throwing "free" money away. What do your showrooms offer you in your market?

Indirect

@ April 29, 2007 11:26 AM in how do you size a water heater

What size boiler do you have there? If you decide to use it do you plan on using priority control for the zones? If you use a 60 Gallon Indirect you will get these approx ratings base on boiler but input. This is where priority control comes in. Boiler BTU 1st Hour Continuous 100,000 187 gph 173 gph 120,000 214 208 140,000 241 242

I have to disagree with you

@ April 29, 2007 11:08 AM in My burnam boiler cracked after 9 years, will they help with labo

to apoint. Yes Burnham did have a bad casting on the V7 series boiler (2nd Section). They have gone above and beyond with the issue. They with no questions asked have warranties the block assemblies and at the beginning of the problem also allowed for a $250.00 and sometime more labor allowance on replacment. They bent over backwards to fix the problem. Now, some installers did get better service than other but I contribute that to the installers wholesale supplier for not pushing the matter. As for the V8 boiler. I have yet to have a problem and I've sold hundreds since they have been out. In a perfect world no products would ever have a problem but we don't live in a perfect world. It's how the wholesaler/manufacture take care of the problem that counts the most.

No Labor

@ April 29, 2007 11:02 AM in My burnam boiler cracked after 9 years, will they help with labo

No boiler manufacture has labor covered in their written warranty. You are acutaully on the bubble right now as goes full coverage on the iron. Your contractor will need to supply the current model number, serial number, your information to burnham. They track all there boilers. They will know when that boiler shipped and to what wholesaler. What you will get in return is, if you have a V7 Series boiler, a new V8 Block assmebly to include new jacket. You will have to reuse your current burner and controls unless you decided to "purchase them new."

Test Shown

@ April 29, 2007 10:53 AM in HeatingHelp.com

> unless you answer. Thanks.

Sorry Dan. I'm referring to the box at the bottom where you have to enter "text shown" prior to the post being added. Why did you add this?

50 Feet?

@ April 28, 2007 8:05 PM in SS Chimney liner

I'd be a little concerned with condensing the chimmney in this application. Are you doing boiler reset in this application? What stack temps do you expect to have?

I have QB-180 Parts

@ April 28, 2007 7:59 PM in QB 180 parts?

I manage a plumbing and heating wholesale compain in NY. What do you need? You can also order them through partstoyourdoor.com along with any other part for just about anything HVAC. We use them all the time.

Air Handlers Are too small

@ April 26, 2007 9:34 PM in Suggestions please

Stop and go back to the basics. Two 3T A/H are about 160,000 btus. Do you thing that's enough to satify the load of the house? Do a heat loss, start there before introducing a solution...I'm taking it you are using Dunkirk XEB's...

I have a question

@ April 26, 2007 9:05 PM in Not enough hot water, boiler short cycles, what to do?

Before I even want to anwser your question...What's the heat load the boiler is trying to satisfy? What I mean by this is, How many feet of baseboard is in the home? Is it cast iron or finned tubed? If not baseboard then do you have radiators. By your thread I'm thinking either the boiler is too big to start and the location of the thermostat is being satisfied to quick (meaning the the btu output of the heat emmitters is much more than the room requires)