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Sounds like

@ December 11, 2005 8:49 PM in Steam Humidifiers

They addresed the problem. I'll take a look at them again. Any advice on connecting the old one to my fireplace? It gets kind of dry here on the rare aoccasions I run the heat;-) To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Sounds like

@ December 11, 2005 8:47 PM in Steam Humidifiers

> Like I said, Tom.. the newer units dump all of
> the water from the unit after about 12 hours of
> use.
>
> What I failed to mention to you is that,
> after the water dump, the humidifier remains void
> of water until the next call for humidifier
> operation. The benefit of this is that heated air
> moving through the humidifier, helps evaporate
> any residual water, so the unit stays relatively
> dry.

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Thanks Professor

@ December 11, 2005 6:41 PM in Steam Humidifiers

I tried a steam humidifer over 10 years ago when they were first introduced for the residential market. The design was simple, as small pan inserted into the duct with an electric element immersed in the water. The uit was capapble of turning on the blower independent of the heat - the perfect devise, on paper at least. The unit worked well - for about 3 weeks. Then I was called back because "my" humidifwer had stopped working. I pulled it out and found the element encrusted in mineral deposits and shorted out. I called the MFG and was told that the unit would require periodic cleaning depending on the use and water quality. The tech rep said this was accompished simply and could be done by the homeowner, yeah right. "Well Mrs Smith, next time you wake up with a bloody nose, just come downstairs, turn off the water valve, turn off the 220V power, disconnect the water line and hi volt wire. Then take out the 9 zip screws carry the unit to the bench and chip out the lime, just be carefull not to break the heating element. Then simply reverse the procedure to re-install. You will probably only have to do it once a month or so." "are you kidding?" "no, thats what the tech rep said to do" This thread will be deleted if I type the next comment, Dan won't allow langauge like that here. It really did become "my" humidifier again. Have they solved the problem yet? I heat my house with a fireplace and haven't figured out how to connect the last one I got back, sure don't need another. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Thanks Professor

@ December 11, 2005 6:26 PM in Steam Humidifiers

> As we all know, the number one enemy of an air
> distribution system is moisture. Moisture in the
> air distribution system, the ever-present dirt
> and dust as well as the heat provided by the
> furnace provide a great breeding opportunity for
> mold and othe unwanted guests.
>
> Since steam
> and atomizing humidifiers are putting saturated
> water vapor into the duct system, condensation on
> the interior surfaces of the duct has been a
> problem that we have been dealing with for a long
> time.
>
> Newer atomizing and steam humidifiers
> are more sensitive to the needs of the ductwork
> as well as the needs of the space as determined
> by the humidistat setting/actual relative
> humidity diffrential.
>
> The really neat thing
> about newer steam humidifers is that many of them
> control the furnace blower indepebndently of the
> fan-limit control. This does a number of
> things... The big breakthrough, however, is this.
> In the heating mode, the furnace blower would
> only operate when the thermostat was calling for
> heating, regardless of what the humidistat said.
> So, the relativehumidity in the space could be
> very low, but the humidifier would not cycle on.
> Remember that there is an interlock between the
> blower and the humidifer that prevents the
> humidifier from coming on when the furnace blower
> is off. This eliminates the introduction of
> moisture into a duct system that has no air
> moving through it.
>
> Now, with the independent
> blower control, if the relative humidity falls
> and the space is at its design temperature, the
> blower and the humidifier will come on to satisfy
> the humidity needs of the space. This is actually
> a really neat thing, as we can be comfortable at
> lower temperatures if the relative humidity
> levels are higher. This, in a small way, reduces
> the run time of the furnace.
>
> In addition, some
> new steam humidifiers dump all water from the
> unit after 12 hours of operation. This helps
> ensure that there is no stagnant water in the
> unit, especially in the of season.
>
> I
> personally am much happie with the advances made
> in the design and control of these devices.
> Check out the HOT TECH TOPICS area for a piece,
> written by yours truly, about absolute and
> relative humidity.
>
> Hope this helps.

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Steam Humidifiers

@ December 11, 2005 5:09 PM in Steam Humidifiers

Anyone have any input on the new steam humidifiers? I used one when they first came out and it would lime up every month. Do the new ones work any better? Thanks To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Glad to hear it

@ December 2, 2005 7:57 PM in non-mercury stats

some customers despise change, at least the new thermostat will have a familiar look to it. Now, if you could just include an plate about 1" all the way around to go behind the thermostat so the customers don't have to re-paint. That little piece of plastic would solve a very common complaint, and could be removed when they do re-paint. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Hey Eugene,

@ November 18, 2005 7:42 AM in RGA - my new title!

That SOB I work for said had to work late, and try to catch up on paperwork. God, sometimes I hate Him! I fixed him though, I came to the wall for a little while when he wasen't looking. Sorry I missed you last night. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Hey Eugene,

@ November 18, 2005 7:39 AM in RGA - my new title!

> What are you doing on the Wall, when you were
> supposed to at the Beckett class with us?
>
> What
> gives?

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Chirp Chirp Chirp

@ November 17, 2005 7:37 PM in RGA - my new title!

I hear crickets Nothing else Anyone suprised? To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Chirp Chirp Chirp

@ November 17, 2005 7:37 PM in RGA - my new title!

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I agree with steamhead

@ November 6, 2005 6:02 PM in The Gauge glass bounce

try skimming the boiler first. That's the best way to remove oil. Simply flushing the system is not as effective for removing oil. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Outstanding work!

@ November 4, 2005 7:52 PM in Mad Dog's Bazooka-Bottle Header

Glad to hear it was done in the summertime. I can't imagine doing work like that under the gun. You and the crew must have been sick of ladders after that one ;-) To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Outstanding work!

@ November 4, 2005 7:51 PM in Mad Dog's Bazooka-Bottle Header

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Hi Hot Rod

@ November 4, 2005 7:49 PM in Problems for Hot Rod & PAH

I couldn't agree more that a supplier needs to provide more than just materials. It is, or should be part of the job description, but this is not always the case. I am frequently bringing products to the attention of my suppliers - shouldn't it be the other way around? As to tech support my local suppliers only go so far. Then it's onto the mfgs reps (lucky for me we have some outstanding ones) or to the factory. If the trend continues we may be buying off the net and just finding the support directly from the MFG's and their reps. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Hi Dave

@ November 4, 2005 7:40 PM in Problems for Hot Rod & PAH

I too prefer to deal on the local level, and I am loyal to my suppliers. I count on them for service first and price second. There are times however, when they can't or won't provide products that I want. I always seem to be able to get things one way or another, but one source would be a lot better for me and I suspect some others. It would probably be a relief for some of my local guys too - I would stop asking for products they can't supply. Now that your supplier has dropped the ball on pro-press fittings, will you buy all the fittings from another supplier? Or will you cross your fingers and hope that the people who sold you the tool will step up and perform as promised? I'm not sure what I would do in your shoes, but, based on your experiance, before I were to invest in a press tool, I would want to see a fully stocked supply house first. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Hi Dave

@ November 4, 2005 7:30 PM in Problems for Hot Rod & PAH

> While I agree there's problems at the local level
> from time to time, I still prefer to support my
> local suppliers.
>
> This situation was a bit
> different.
>
> I was urged to purchase the PP
> tool by the supplier's distribution stocking mgr
> and he promised they would stock a full line -
> 1/2" thru 2" - both fittings and valves - here in
> York. OK, if they're willing to dance, so am I
> and I'd be loyal to buying from them unless they
> gave us poor service, which is something that
> can't be tolerated if we're going to provide our
> customers with great service.
>
> Tool purchased
> and the local branch mgr balks about stocking
> fittings and says he won't stock valves. 1/2 a
> loaf might be better than none - in a restaurant
> - but bacon & eggs without the eggs doesn't a
> breakfast make!
>
> And, I would have remained
> loyal if our salesman had at least returned our
> calls regarding the order where he decided it
> wasn't really necessary to let me know the
> reduced T's we'd ordered for PP were something he
> didn't feel like pursuing.
>
> and I wouldn't be
> placing an order with Grangers today, in spite of
> their lower pricing for PP, because of my desire
> to suport local suppliers. $50.00 saved on a
> larger job isn't exactly worth the loss of
> personal support a good supplier can offer, which
> is a value-added intangible thing that means a
> lot to me.
>
> And it's odd how dramatically the
> level of service can change within the same
> supply house chain depending on who is in the
> lead position.
>
> And that's why the notion of
> an internet supply house holds any attraction at
> all.
>
> Price is but a single spoke in the
> wheel.
>
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Problems for Hot Rod & PAH

@ November 3, 2005 9:15 PM in Problems for Hot Rod & PAH

and me as well. Cash in hand waiting to buy supplies. No supplier local to take the money. Seems to me some smart supplier would step up and take our money. Let Brown or Fed ex or DHL be your delivery truck. Bet you could set up a customer list right here. Sell only the good stuff, top of the line, the cool stuff good mechanics see in photos posted here, and say "where can I get that?" Knock, knock. To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

That's one tough lady,

@ November 2, 2005 7:43 AM in Last Update on Mom

Glad to hear he good news! Maybe it was the bingo? ;-) Tom To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Thanks Carol

@ November 1, 2005 6:52 PM in Remote sensor t-stats

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Thanks Carol

@ November 1, 2005 6:52 PM in Remote sensor t-stats

> Yes you can do remote temp sensors with the
> vision pro. They average the temp--so no zone is
> likely to be really happy. It's the same idea
> used on the T7300 stats, so it's more of a
> commercial ballroom solution than a home comfort
> thing.
>
> The sensor is c7189U1005. You can use
> 1, 4, 9, 16, etc. That's because the wiring is
> series parallel. You can see the wiring diagram
> by entering this sensor part number in the
> literature part (bottom right) of the website
> (customer.honeywell.com).

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Hey, Professor,

@ October 30, 2005 5:57 PM in Remote sensor t-stats

Not sure of the model number, they are programable vision pros and are already using one remote sensor. We are looking to put a few more sensors in the building to get a more even temp. My local supplier is not sure of what I need or if it can be done with Honeywell stats. thanks Tom To Learn More About This Professional, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Professional"

Hery professor,

@ October 30, 2005 5:54 PM in Remote sensor t-stats

> Tom, what VisionPro model are you using?

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