Heating Help

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@ December 1, 2006 10:41 AM in rhomar

should be able to help you.

I heartily agree

@ November 10, 2006 9:34 AM in Veteran's day

We as a country owe our vets for all of our freedoms. I for one will always be thankful for their courage and their sense of duty. I just wish more of the folks in Washington had served for some time in the service. Maybe vets would not have to fight so hard for the benefits they are promised and then have them reduced as a cost savings. We owe so much to those who are serving and have served.

cleaning and treating a gas boiler

@ October 9, 2006 12:10 PM in Cleaning Gas Boiler

Check out our web site www.rhomarwater.com under both hydronic and steam systems. Also, there is an archived article of mine in April 2004 issue of PM Magazine George Hunt It is available on the Internet.

The tlc needed for an aluminum heat exchanger

@ October 9, 2006 11:55 AM in First Ultra Install - Whadya Think?

You might want to read about the care of an aluminum heat exchanger with regard to cleaning and treating the system. pH is critical in this system. Also if you are adding glycol it must be aluminum rated. The new issue of PHC News has my newest article on the different care these boilers demand to maintain efficiency and to protect them from the water chemistry. Questions call Rhomar Water at 800-543-5975.

Happy Birthday

@ September 22, 2006 10:33 AM in Brad White's Birthday Today

from an even older fellow. It is better than the alternative, buddy. George Hunt

Come see us at ISH

@ September 15, 2006 11:56 AM in Rhomar extends an invitation to visit us at ISH

We will have a booth at the ISH show. We sincerely would like to see our friends and those we haven't met at the show. We have many areas to discuss on the TLC of boilers and the entire hotwater or steam heating system. Look forward to greeting those that stop by our booth. See you in a couple of weeks.

treatment vs no treatment

@ August 4, 2006 11:20 AM in Water Treatment

Cleaning a system after installing is a smart idea as it gets rid of solder flux, cutting oils, dirt, old flash rust or even old corrosion if the system was in use and the boiler is the change out. Treating, with our products at least, controls pH, inhibits scale and corrosion and keeps sludge from building up in low aress. The oxygen scavenger grabs oxygen that gets into the system by diffussion and when it is released by the heated water. All metals are protected. The expense after the initial cleaning and treatment is low as it is just a matter of adding new treatment if it is needed. We are finding out many new areas of concern with these new aluminum heat exchangers. We are working with several boiler manufacturers, and we will have further info on this as we get the results of full testing. The real point, of all of this, is you cannot treat these new high tech boilers like you could the old cast iron brutes. The loss of efficiency alone will raise the fuel bill higher than the treatment over the life of the boiler. If it is a change out of a boiler, cleaning the system is an obvious requirement if the old system is gunked up with corrosion particles. These new boilers with their small passageways are not going to work well if the junk is left in the system. High tech boilers require care and attention to maintain the efficiency they are being sold for. Our products make this happen.

That is FUNNY Brad

@ July 21, 2006 10:48 AM in closed loop vs open loop radiant floor heat

Nice Friday smile.

Another piece of info on this topic

@ June 22, 2006 12:30 PM in Glycol question

Rhomar has been doing several show and tell meetings with some of the major boiler companies. We were told by one, that the wrong glycol under their test conditions was allowing visible harm to the aluminum heat exchanger. I do not know the length of the test or what temp it was being run at, but there was absolutely a problem if the wrong glycol rated freeze protection was in the system.

A test you could do as well as sending the sample to Drew is pH

@ June 22, 2006 12:21 PM in Glycol question

If the pH is high 8 or 9 then it is probably the old type of glycol. the older glycols had a tendency to push the pH up to a high number. That is not true of the new AL rated glycols... they have a more neutral pH (closer to 7). If it is a lower number like close to 7, it is likely to be one of the aluminum rated glycols. I am assuming that this was a recent install. Drew's test could be much more decisive in knowing what you have. Another suggestion would be to contact the other contractor and alert him to the fact that he may be on the hook for a new boiler if they used the incorrect glycol. Maybe that will get them to go back and find out exactly what they did use. If the boiler and the glycol were purchased at the same time, it should be easy to find out.

Is it possible to partner up with another firm

@ June 12, 2006 11:16 AM in Need advice from business guru's

If you know someone you trust, is it possible to make a deal with them and maybe pass on some of your overload. I do not know personally if this is possible, just asking the question. I did this when I own a printing business and was able to grow my business faster and yet keep a handle on the new expenses as each job was covered and I was not committed to a long term arrangement. You do have an interesting situation at present. Would like to hear how it comes out for you.

Lovely Dan Just Lovely

@ June 9, 2006 11:42 AM in A poem for Friday (Dan H.)

We promise many things when we are young. Some are kept and some just fly away.

Both metals can be seriously damaged by low pH

@ June 9, 2006 10:37 AM in ph concerns, in copper and iron

Low meaning under 7.0 Our treatment product buffers pH to about 8 to 8.5. But there are other considerations such as corrosion and scale reducing the the heat exchange and thereby causing loss of efficiency and higher heating bills. Our website, www.rhomarwater.com, has tech sheets on both our hydronic products and home steam system products. Give me a call if I can be of further help. 800-543-5975 George Hunt Hydronic Mgr.

It is hard to believe that was over 62 years ago

@ June 7, 2006 10:07 AM in Day of Days

From a variety of sources, movies, documentaries, and speaking with people who were there: it is obvious that this was a day that will live in our history for decades to come. I guess, standing at the cementary is a very moving and vivid experience. And to remember, all of those young folks who never saw their 22nd birthday. It brings a tear to the eye and a lump to the throat. We really do owe them for their courage to do their duty in a time of great peril to our country. If there is a rightous war, WWII is at the top of the list. Those Americans still living and long dead are worthy of a moment of quiet reflection.

Dan

@ June 7, 2006 9:31 AM in Comm'l Steam - DF

Love the installation pictures. Be very interesting to see what kind of fuel savings this client of yours enjoys in the coming heating season. If your correct on the %, this job will very quickly pay for itself. I believe that one decal on one of your pictures will do great things for us. Thanks. George

Dan

@ June 5, 2006 10:04 AM in Question About Rust

You can call me at 800-543-5975 and we could discuss what needs to be done to clean and treat your system. A cleaned, non-leaking closed loop system only needs to be cleaned once. The treatment followup of the cleaning will prevent further scale and corrosion. This also will keep the efficiency closer to design levels and therefore save on the fuel bills. Look forward to speaking with you. George @RhomarWater.com

a trick so you are always on time

@ June 2, 2006 9:41 AM in Calling all Wallies

Tell them you will be there between 1/4 of 11 and 11. That 15 minute window will allow for traffic etc. If you are going to be late, call or reschedule. Their time is as important as yours. In the age of cell phones, there is no excuse for not calling. I hate to be kept waiting or stood up. It is disrespectful and shows no regard for my time. If you made the appt. a week before or so, confirm the day before or so. It will allow you to have more solid appts. There is nothing like a busted appt. to start the day. Come prepared and always leave something behind for them to look at later. Sales are logical and there are certain steps that should always be followed. The unexpected will take care of itself. But, you should always be prepared for the expected.

I had a friend

@ May 26, 2006 10:29 AM in A Memorial Day Request..............................

who served in the navy in WWII. He commanded a Higgins boat delivering troops to Omaha Beach on D-Day. His story made my story about flying B-52s during the Cuban Crisis seem mundane. He told me his story over 30 years ago and it is still etched in my mind. I agree with Mad Dog, we can never thank these men and women enough and we certainly should honor them on Monday. By the way, I thought enough of his story to send it in for publication. If it happens, I will let you all know.

If you decide to clean the system

@ May 24, 2006 9:55 AM in problem solved...was groaning copper tube boiler

you could use our hydro-solv 9100. We have had great success using it in similar situations. As Hot Rod said, you could drain the system, save the fluid and reuse it when you have the cleaning done. Also check the glycol percentage. Drew should be able to give you that answer from the sample you sent him. If we can be of further help, call Rhomar at 800-543-5975. George

David

@ May 10, 2006 10:16 AM in Opinions wanted on water purification for hydronic systems

There are many reasons to clean and treat all systems. Well water is only one reason. In fact on low volume systems, some contractors bring their own water and do not use well water in a closed loop system. Other reasons are prevention of scale or corrosion. Keeping the pH in a safe area and dispersing sludge. The pH is critical when a boiler with an aluminum HX is in the boiler. Scavenging the oxygen in a system is another factor. Oxygen comes in with the fill water and is released when the water is heated. Oxygen also diffuses into the system via different routes. Non barrier tubing is one, but even barrier tubing will not stop it 100%. Pumps, zone valves and adding new water are another. Doing the cleaning and treatment is a sure way to maintain the health of the heating system and also results in better efficiency and therefore lower heating bills. The bottom line is it will protect the system and pay for itself in lower fuel bills. This is done routinely in the industrial world for the same reasons. The home owner world is just catching up to these ideas. Probably brought on by higher fuel prices and the upward trend that seems to be in place.

I have used this \"out the door\" statement for years.

@ May 8, 2006 11:10 AM in An informal survey - Mad Dog

" I can live with yeses and nos, but maybes drive me crazy." I do get more calls back from fence sitters this way. It also gives you the opening to find out why you were chosen or not. You need to know these answers from potential clients. You can not improve unless you know why some buy and some don't. IF it only is a timing issue, make sure you record a definite date to call them back. Call backs on interested prospects can be very helpful to your bottom line.

Those days are just memories for me now.

@ May 8, 2006 10:47 AM in The teenage years begin

We had three teenagers in our house at one time... We were fortunate to have very few problems and now those days are way in the past. You all are living in the sped up time machine part of your life now. That time in my life just flew by. It comes and goes before you have a chance to recognize it is here. And when you do, it is over. Grab as many days as you can, as soon it will all be a memory. Memories are great, but the real thing is even better. I was told this too, but just thought it was talk. We are so smart some times and can not see the quickness of time. So here I am doing what old folks do best. Giving unsolicited advice. This too, is part of living a long time.