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water heaters

@ April 28, 2009 7:48 PM in If the hot water tank ain't broke, replace it anyway?!

You just can't buy that kind of endurance these days Ron. Ask George, he may remember Gould. If he worked on their boilers, he will still have a bad taste in his mouth for them though. The Ford was a Carlin product. They were among the best, so was Texaco, and the old Everhot. Back to Amtrol, besides the rolled coil design mess that occured late 80's early 90's, and the Smart control manufactures, they have served well, and they have always been good with me on warranty issues. That alone can sell a product if the manufacture is willing to stand behind their equipment. Ron, i still have some Monel propane water heaters out there from the 40's!!! peace


@ April 28, 2009 7:20 PM in If the hot water tank ain't broke, replace it anyway?!

I have a gun fired Gould water heater still going over 40 years old. Good water i guess?

good points JK

@ April 28, 2009 7:10 PM in If the hot water tank ain't broke, replace it anyway?!

Anything can go at anytime, I have not seen the failure rate of Amtrol that Troy has though. I've replaced more Thermaflow, Vaugn, Superstor, Bradford White, and even Buderus indirects due to leakers. You just never know. peace

just to add

@ April 28, 2009 6:45 PM in Energy Kinetics System 2000

I still have one from 1978 still rock'n and roll'n out in the field. They do last. peace

thanks Tommy Oil

@ April 28, 2009 6:15 PM in boiler mater question

I have thick skin. Been in the oil game twice as long as he has, been around it all my life. Followed my dad's foot steps, and been there done that. I've seen the problem described so many times, and made it right. Some one comes in with blinders, changes out the boiler, existing indirect, figures it worked before, it should now. peace


@ April 28, 2009 5:55 PM in Energy Kinetics System 2000

I started using them in 84, haven't had any real issues with them. The occasional aquabank, chamber, pacman, a couple of plate heat exchangers, but they are worth it if you want to have peace and quiet from down below. I started replacing my rotary boilers with these mainly beacause a rotary you never heard running. Put any other gun fired unit in, and i'd be hung from noise complaints. It is funny how you see the plate heat exchanger thing going on out there thanks to Energy K. peace


@ April 28, 2009 5:49 PM in PEERLESS BOILER

Bob, it is possible with a gas conversion burner, but not practical. Best to convert boiler and all. I have coverted many back to oil due to lack of efficiency and running cost when this was done. With this new Peerless boiler in place, i'd look to save elsewhere. Sounds like they'd be throwing the baby out with the bath water. What #'s are the unit giving? I find them running 85% average. not bad for a pin boiler with a coil. I'd get then an indirect, the ODR or Heat Manager. They will save some cash. Is there gas in the house already? Another thing to consider when it comes down to brass tacks. peace

no prob Dave

@ April 27, 2009 9:58 PM in boiler mater question

We all have them off days and nites. I usually read the subject post, then offer what little I know to the poster. I now see that you also say wiring. It would help if we knew more. Is it the Z control, Smart control, has it's own circ, and so on, didn't install it, but I could make it work, as i'm thinking so could you. They wouldn't come here with questions and not want an array of input. JMO. peace


@ April 27, 2009 9:32 PM in boiler mater question

Did I offend anyone? If so, sorry. Was put in layman's terms for homeowner. Clearly a wiring issue, but not all controls are compatable nowadys as you know. The new digital H/W controls are sweet, but they screwed us on some terminals. peace

tank replacement

@ April 27, 2009 9:01 PM in If the hot water tank ain't broke, replace it anyway?!

Jean, I would say no personally. What make and model indirect do you have? I installed my Amtrol in 1984 and it is still going strong. The teens have put it to the test for years. If there is no sign of leakage, roll the dice? peace

water temps

@ April 27, 2009 8:53 PM in Insufficient Hot Water

Those coils generally don't get air-bound. They are top fed. Wouldn't hurt to check hivent if it has one, but he could have easily lowered the limits on the main aquastat on the boiler. This will cause a recovery problem. Could have been an honest mistake, but if they can't solve it, perhaps they are lacking knowledge in other areas as well. peace


@ April 27, 2009 8:47 PM in boiler mater question

Sounds like she now has a cold start control on the new boiler, where tha old boiler maintained temp. They need to come back and w make it right. I'm quite sure it may need to have a zone valve now. The new aquastats don't offer Z-R so might be an issue, but someone who knows can make it happen. peace


@ April 25, 2009 9:23 AM in ultra oil boiler

If you got the upgrade directly from Weil Mclain, it would have come with the upgraded gun assembly, hoses, and a blanket to help with reflection. 30 feet with a 5 foot lift is not a long run or a high lift. One pipe will work just fine. In that case all you are doing is creating higher vacuum, and filtering too much oil. Make sure you have all flare connections. What oil tank are you using? Is it a Roth that comes out of the top, or is it a steel bottom feed tank? Why not run the lines along the floor? Gravity where you can. If you called Weil with the correct model and serial #'s, you will have the correct gun for that burner. I don't think a tiger loop will help you in this case, not fuel supply related. Also AFT burner? Are you talking AFG? peace


@ April 19, 2009 8:29 PM in Valiant C.I. boiler?

Was glad to see them disappear. They were terrible boilers. peace


@ April 18, 2009 1:54 PM in Forced Hot Air by oil with power vent keeps locking out

May and may not be related to plumber's work. Either way, he shouldn't be stumped, and should have an answer whether it's burner and or power vent related. If he's that easily stumped, than get a qualified oil tech asap. peace


@ April 18, 2009 8:50 AM in Forced Hot Air by oil with power vent keeps locking out

First thing, why are you having a plumber do your oil work? Second, did he adjust the breech/overfire draft? Those come with the baffle wide open. Third, post purge. CK 61 or 62? Is the fan proven switch wired in properly? Fan proven tube connected tightly and clear? Seperate line voltage for the power vent beside B-1? Sounds like you need someone who knows oil and venting systems. These systems are not complicated. peace

Thanks Justin

@ April 16, 2009 9:27 PM in Zone Valve Fighting!

wish you the best on your venture. This is the place to get answers in all forms. Lots of knowledge can be had in here. I can come of wrong at times myself. I guess it's a human thing lol. peace

pumping away

@ April 16, 2009 8:37 PM in Zone Valve Fighting!

No offense takin Justin. I prefer to pump away. If there are zone valves, preferably Honeywell, I like thems on the return, obviously only if it is not a mono-flow, then they have to be on the supply. I only find banging noises, etc, when on a return if someone was nice enough to plumb them in backwards, especially taco. I find the cooler temps agree with the "O" rings, and other rubber material holds up alittle longer when return located. Just my findings, but I'm sure others will disagree or agree, but I do defer to Mark E. If it flows, he knows. Read his posts on here if you hunger for knowledge. peace


@ April 16, 2009 8:28 PM in Zone Valve Fighting!

I do agree Mark, there is alot that can be learned, just had the tone of who knows more than another type of post. My mistake

Them's fightin words

@ April 16, 2009 6:58 PM in Zone Valve Fighting!

All's posts like this do is pit one man against another in the end. My theory is if it works for you, do it. If it doesn't work, lesson learned. peace


@ April 15, 2009 7:56 PM in opinions wanted about manufacturer's mod/con warranty policy

It's their game, and they call the rules of play. They probably clearly state that the warranty will be void if you don't do as they do. Doesn't mean that you are not capable of getting the same end result by other means, but they have the final say incase of malfuntion to cover or not. peace


@ April 14, 2009 7:16 PM in loud banging noises in boiler pipes

Is this forced hot water? Sounds like low bolier water pressure, or temp too high, or even a zone valve in backwards. Besides the creaking/knocking/banging that you get when the pipes are jammed against wood, etc, these things will make it bang also
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