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Last Post on December 5, 2013
@ November 2, 2013 5:35 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Sorry to hear that. Price other brands see what you get.
@ November 1, 2013 6:16 PM in HydroMXFrom what information that y you provided they are hanging their hat on heat transfer first. Non fouling to the system second. What if it does create issues a refund on the potion ?
What lab tests were done strictly heat transfer? What time frame was observed with no system issues?
What types of piping? Types of hydronic systems?
I'm share the same thoughts, and right now I see radiator stop leak in a nano form.
People here nano technology, and think it is high tech.
Think about HX fouling. Bad Water deposits alone can create havoc.
@ November 1, 2013 7:13 AM in HydroMXIs what happens to the suspended nano particles when the system is idle? Especially over the non heating/cooling time frames.
@ November 1, 2013 5:57 AM in Looking for alternatives to heating my old, large houseA pellet burner is cheaper than fuel oil.
Insert foot in mouth.
But I will say that fuel type has gone up a lot from its infancy.
@ October 31, 2013 9:06 PM in Looking for alternatives to heating my old, large houseBill
Its the supply and demand thing of course.
But I remember when pellet, and corn burners first came out the fuels were cheap compared to other energy sources NG LP OIL etc. Then those pellet burners took off, and so did the corn, and pellet prices to where NG is cheaper than burning pellets. Corn has other factors I understand. Who would a thoght a guy could make a killing in saw dust..
My buddy bought a pellet BBQ 1K quite nice to cook on, but the assorted wood species pellets are not cheap.
@ October 31, 2013 6:20 PM in HydroMXIn theory it makes sense.
My gut opinion is if the container says shake well before using could mean a recipe in the long term for issues.
What happens if there is a dirt separator installed in the system?
Not knocking something I have no experience with, but suspended aluminum, or copper ( is there a choice) in a hydronics system seems like a future fouling agent to me.
@ October 31, 2013 6:05 PM in Looking for alternatives to heating my old, large houseAs he pointed out on the envelope.
The only way you can cut your heating bill if you leave the envelope
"as is" is by using a cheaper fuel NG. Usually.
Pay for proper sealing, and insulation once, and you will be much happier than revamping the whole heating system, and switching fuels. That is a short term solution NG will not be cheap forever.
After the envelope is fixed then visit a new heating system that is more efficient.
P.S the pellet suppliers ruined the whole attractiveness of the pellet stove market in my opinion.
@ October 31, 2013 5:53 PM in Taco Bumblebee Buzzes-Are you both running the bee?
Just wondering if both of you are using same setting, or have tried different modes, or constant speeds ?
@ October 31, 2013 5:47 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?You could get through another Canadian winter.
Devote spring /summer to an installation at your leisurely pace. Time to squire products. Maybe monitor your present system a little closer record readings, and compare to new installation.
@ October 31, 2013 6:47 AM in Taco Bumblebee Buzzes-Is piping isolated from structure?
It does not take much to reverberate velocity noise, or circ noise.
@ October 31, 2013 5:25 AM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Synopsis is heat source in code violation, so no bulk propane hook up for you until resolved.
So Morpho I was going to ask what the pros/cons of doing nothing about your situation?
No out of pocket to rectify violation of heat source.
No final occupancy permit?
No bulk delivery of propane.
Fines imposed possibly?
Is there a time line inspector is enforcing?
@ October 30, 2013 5:33 AM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?If his only choice is LP why not? Wood Looked pretty distant on the property.
Oil is going to be more than LP.
Dont over think it.
@ October 29, 2013 7:56 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Is pretty darn close in size by the time you figure the output it's 40k input.
Some kind of back up still is not a bad idea no matter the true heat source though.
Morpho I don't know your water quality, but initial fill of distiller water would be of benefit .
@ October 29, 2013 5:25 AM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?That style boilers heat exchanger is mineral deposits from continuous makeup water.
@ October 28, 2013 10:52 PM in The Blessed Technology of Fracking . . .Just a advance in technology.
For how many years did oil companies throw away gasoline because it was to volatile, and they did not know what else to do with it.
If you look at history we actually have come a long way in our means in protecting the environment compared to many a decades if not centuries ago.
@ October 28, 2013 10:21 PM in The Blessed Technology of Fracking . . .Equals another superfund cleanup on us.
@ October 28, 2013 9:19 PM in Heat - thermostatThe other things I listed to check.
Are yo new to this home?
If not was there an issue before?
Is this a new thermostat location?
Remember this is the shoulder season so the home just gets a little bump from the heating system here and there.
@ October 28, 2013 8:51 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?10* for radiant floors for the heating loop.(primary). 35 at the boiler loop (secondary). The higher the delta at the boiler the more efficiency gained.
10* gives more even floor temps. You could go higher if your willing to sacrifice some foot comfort.
I'm thinking you need primary secondary anyway. Your headloss for the flow rates needed to maintain a 15* delta at the floor( a little sacrifice in comfort under foot) would be borderline bumble bee material. To close to call. Maybe SWEI has a different opinion.
@ October 28, 2013 7:56 PM in Heat - thermostatIs your thermostats the old round type? If so are you sure it is level? This can throw it off.
Do you have another reliable thermometer to check the room temp in question to verify the thermostats reading properly?
Is there anything close to the thermostat that my give of heat, and create a false reading at the thermostat?
@ October 28, 2013 7:22 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Running a 35* delta on the cadet would be close to the same head loss as .6 gpm on 200' runs of 1/2" pex if the pex is 12" on center that should give you 25 btus a sf.
Can you confirm loop lengths, number of loops, and tube spacing Morpho?
What I'm trying to see is if it is possible to eliminate one pump, and not plumb primary secondary.
If not two bumble bees is still an even swap from your present circ. if we could get it down to one bumble bee it would not make you cringe so much.
You could also buy a small indirect, and make your domestic hot water with the cadet at a higher efficiency than the instantaneous water heater you have.
Got a Craig's list in your neck o the woods?
@ October 28, 2013 7:02 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Piping is the diagram.
Basically the primary loop , and the secondary loop are decoupled by the closely spaced t's.
This way the two loops can pump at different flow rates, and not effect one another.
The cadet has a high head heat exchanger which may require a different flow rate than your heating loop.
The primary loop is the loop with the expansion tank. The secondary loop is the loop for the boiler.
Not to confuse you but the boiler loop could be the primary loop if the expansion tank were plumbed in at that loop.
So in a nut she'll most signify the primary loop as which ever loop has the expansion tank.
But yet some signify the primary loop as the boiler loop.
@ October 28, 2013 6:55 PM in code man says my DHW tank has to go as a heat source What now?Buy time before corrosion rears it's ugly head