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In Basement

@ April 25, 2007 5:32 AM in Radiant in ceiling

Radiant ceiling may have a problem keeping the floor warm, if the basement slab is not insulated. I would deffinetly go with RFH in a basement first,and RCH second as a retrofit if height is an issue in a basement. I have rooms in my house with both RFH, and RCH talk about a radiantmakin sandwich. Personally I have never experienced a RFH system with carpeting as a floor covering. I totally agree if you have tile, stone,and hardwood RFH is a deffinite compliment. I just can't recall a time when I walked across a carpeted floor barefoot, and it sent a chill down my spine. Probably one of those things if you don't have it you won't miss it. If you do have it, and its taken away you wonder how you will live without it. Gordy Gordy


@ April 21, 2007 11:59 AM in Radiant in ceiling

180* water temps?? Where did you get this number? My system only sees 115* tops water temp. The temperature of the actual ceiling surface is about 85 to 90 degrees tops. Gordy


@ April 20, 2007 5:27 AM in Radiant in ceiling

John if the initial design was good they are a wonderful thing. My house has radiant ceilings from the 50's. The house has seen winters to -25 plus while maintaining 75* interior temps. Grammy liked it warm. I believe if you go to the library on this site there is some literature from chase copper on radiant ceilings. Gordy


@ April 10, 2007 5:37 AM in Electric opinions wanted

What are your operating costs? I see some estimate 1 cent a sq.ft. That seems pricey to run. Gordy

Perry is right !

@ April 8, 2007 12:39 PM in Why the sophisticated expensive controllers?

About the sound. Nothing beats the rich sound of Vinyl. Digital sound has its limits. Once Analog warms up hold on to your hat. Talk to anyone who does music recording in a studio there is a huge difference between digital, and Analog. Advantage to CD not as suseptable to damage, and size. Gordy


@ March 25, 2007 5:38 PM in DIY radiant websites

I don't even think that you could throw NRT into the comparison, as to what this thread is about. NRT gives you safe thought out WORKING design packages. I have never heard him bost on how the end user can save money by cutting out the Pro either..... Deffinetly on the fire side of things. Its a tough lump of crap to swallow with the way the internet has opened up commerce. May as well bite the bullet, and capitalize on the aftermath these companies can create. It flows over into other trades not just the wetheads. Gordy


@ March 24, 2007 9:48 PM in Cleaning of antique Bottles???????

Beware to strong of a TSP solution will etch glass. Gordy

old bottles

@ March 24, 2007 9:46 PM in Cleaning of antique Bottles???????

I have quite an old bottle collection also found an old listerine bottle with the cork still intact. Try soaking in white vinegar, They may never be like new though. Gordy

Longest thread...Record?


Been sifting through the postings on this thread. Bottom line people we have been, and are going to be here but a Nano second in the billion year time line of the planet earth. With out a doubt the human species has contributed in excess to the pollution, and desicration of our planet. But so has the relative activity of mother nature. When you stop, and think we the human race are products of nature, its just we are more intelligent in creations of convinience for ourselves. Which intern create the filth we litter the planet with. Think about it everything we create sooner or later makes its mark polluting the planet in one way or another. Don't worry nature will fix it before we do. One more giant asteroid please should do the trick. Then nature can have a fresh start. Some may think this sounds narrow minded but it is what it is. Gordy

Wood floors in kitchen

@ March 16, 2007 10:25 PM in radiant heat and its affect on hardwood floor

Mike is 100% correct on his advice. One other thing if you do decide on the wood floors the narrower the dimension of the pieces the more dimensionaly stable it will be. You will see more movement with wide plank floors than with 3" wide floors. One other thing I would worry about is the CDX underlayment. I think that might cause some buckling with extreme moisture. Gordy


@ March 15, 2007 7:25 PM in Soft or hard?

Glad to hear much needed improvements were made. Like I said I have not paid much attention to them are they still as pricey? Gordy


@ March 15, 2007 6:58 PM in Paging Gordon Kaske...

Well all I can say is ditto to the above. My ceiling radiant is of older technology 50's. My tubing is imbedded in the plaster with 3/8" copper tubing 6" o.c. So performance wise I don't know how this compares to a newer type of installation from a feeling stand point. I like my tight centers, my water temps run around 115* at design with a 15* system DT. Loops will vary depending on the load they supply but none are over 15* DT. Its all parallel piped, one zone with one pump, mixing valve still original Taco, and a bang bang boiler. Old literature indicates you can run temps. of 160* my god you could have the windows open. From a selling point I think the hardest hurdle will be the heat rises frame of mind. But its very effective down to floor level. The colder it gets outside the better it feels liquid sunshine. There is some shadowing under desks, and tables. I threw in a Pic I took during my kitchen remodel its the old way. There is some info. in the library on this site through chase copper and brass.

Slimmy Hair

@ March 15, 2007 6:43 PM in Soft or hard?

Yup Mark you got it. I have my own shower now. Had to stand side ways do to limited space in shower from hair products. They got tired of dear ole Dad/Hubby wondering why 3 girls need 3 different shampoos, and conditioners. I got chewed out because I would run out of the cheap stuff,and use thier 10 dollar a bottle stuff. Convincing will be a chore. Thanks for that tad of info though. I would be tared, and feathered after pounding the table for a magnet softner, only to have thier hair feel unnatural. Gordy

Not impressed

@ March 15, 2007 6:31 PM in Soft or hard?

I had one around 15 years ago. Unless they have changed They waste water in the filtering process..can't remember exact amount but it was considerable. Forever, and a day to fill a coffee pot in the morning. Back then filters were pricey, and needed changed every 90 days no matter how much the usage. Plus the fact it was room temp water comming out of the spigot. I know, I know stick a pitcher in the fridge. It is still forever, and a day to fill. Maybe they have changed, but I never got another one, and don't miss it. Gordy

Radiant ceilings

@ March 15, 2007 5:38 AM in Paging Gordon Kaske...

Hi Jim, Just caught your post. Don't have time to elaborate but will contact you when I get home tonight....Happy to share this over looked, and under estimated emmiter option. Gordy

Mark and Steamhead

@ March 15, 2007 5:33 AM in Soft or hard?

Thanks for the information. Well the drinking water, and outside water does not get softened in my house. But I kinda think Mark was refering to absorbtion. I was looking at if the magnets did work, it would be a wonderful option to ditch the salt packin. More research, surfs up on the web...... time to saturate the cranium. Thanks Gordy


@ March 12, 2007 11:13 PM in Soft or hard?

What in tarnashion. My wife, and daughters know the minute I run out of salt (water boss). We run 28 grains in my area. Please elaborate on the magnets you have had success with.....I thought they were snake url. Iknew soft water kills the lawn. Never thought it affected the human body in such a way. Tired of packin bags of salt. Gordy


@ March 9, 2007 9:28 AM in Radiant Heating Issue

Sorry Kal, I don't buy the cold feet with ceiling radiant. I have both floor, and ceiling radiant. When it comes to hardwood or tile in kitchens, baths solariums, I agree floor radiant there is no better way to go. When in carpeted areas you don't get cold feet with ceiling radiant. Covective currents will chill ya no matter the heat source though, and I will agree window treatments are a cheap r value to keep high glass areas at bay. Gordy

Student here

@ March 6, 2007 7:46 PM in Constant circ for dummies

Just letting everyone know I for one enjoy,hunger, thirst,Yurn, for the descriptive explanations you hydronic wisemen dish up here. This is like watching the history, science, and modern marvels of hydronics, and steam. Your words are not wasted on blind eyes. Thanks to all of you wisemen/teachers for your time, and effort!!! Gordy


@ March 4, 2007 5:01 PM in Radiant and humidity?

Do they have fireplaces? They can suck the humidity out of the house pretty quick. Any new ventilation systems? Bath fans, Super sucker range hood? Kitchen cabinets seperating from ceiling or soffit, sounds like poor installation practices, or overloaded cabinets. I can't imagine any kitchen cabinet shrinking 1/2" in its vertical dimmension. I always screw upper cabinets to ceiling or soffit when applicable. Sometimes you can't when you have installs with no soffits and 30" to 36" uppers. Door frames seperating. If this is all new stuff sounds like juicy materials introduced into an average home enviroment unseasoned before installing. When you say "their contractor" what work did the contractor do? Gordy

How old is the house?

@ March 3, 2007 7:29 PM in Radiant and humidity?

My house has had radiant for 54 years. Nothing like that has ever happend! If anything to much humidity could be a problem....People are always afraid of what they don't know/ understand! Didcontractor install failing products? Gordy

Cold start

@ February 27, 2007 5:31 AM in cast vs stainless combustion chamber

Mike a cold start system like your parents is probably why thier boiler is not getting thermal shock. Plus the boiler is probably oversized, less efficient so it also probably gets up to temps past condensing range rather quickly. Also the old beasty has alot more cast iron then new generation CI boilers, Another thing is water volume of the older boilers vs new. I have a WM cgm7 that has a simple bypass that has never seen return temps higher than 98*. But my boiler is also twice as big as it needs to be. I know the owners manual states that if there is a delta T at the boiler of more than 50* constant circulation is recommended to prevent thermal shock. My boiler was installed in 1993 been running like that since then. I know this goes against proper piping practice. But these are the reasons I have found that is probably letting an overly sized CI boiler survive the harsh enviroment when improperly piped. Gordy
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