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Jeff not a matter of choice

@ March 10, 2013 2:53 PM in Ideas on Quieting a Carlin EZ Gas Conversion Burner

on the double swing barometric it is required by code.

The reason for it is the difference between oil and gas. Oil has a cad cell which is very quick to shut down on any poor flame condition due to back-draft, down draft or spillage of any kind. With gas we have no such device, hence a back draft or downdraft would snuff out the gas flame and cause a build up of raw gas in the chamber. The double swing barometric takes care of that by dumping back into the combustion zone, we put a spill switch (blocked vent switch) on the barometric to insure safe burner shut down.
The statement from your posting below is not correct. A power burner does not create its own draft. All draft whether on an atmospheric or power application is developed by the temperature difference created in the flue and the height of the vent or chimney. All the blower on an oil or gas power burner does is pre-mix the fuel either gas or oil. It creates very, very little affect on draft if any at all.
I am located in Rhode Island and own and operate the Gas Training Institute in Warren, RI. I have also installed and set-up over 3,000 gas conversions using conversion burners, I will check to see if there are any of my students in your zip code if you will pass it on to me,

I can see how with a natural draft boiler this could be more of an issue....but my EZ GAS burner is a power burner and creates its own draft in additional to the chimney creating its own draft, so I do not see my configuration being as susceptible to draft issues compared to a natural draft boiler.




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That would be for

@ March 10, 2013 10:58 AM in Sidewall venting

direct vent only not mechanical exhausting.

Here is what NFPA 54 says

@ March 9, 2013 10:09 PM in Sidewall venting

However you need to also follow manufacturers instructions as there are many other things with sidewalll venting which must be avoided.

12.9* Through-the-Wall Vent Termination.


12.9.1 A mechanical draft venting system shall terminate at least 3 ft (0.9 In) above any forced air inlet located within 10ft (3 m).

Exception No.1: This provision shall not apply to the combustion air intake  of a direct vent appliance.
 
Exceptions No.2: This provision shall not apply to the seperation of the integral outdoor air inlet and flue gas discharge of listed outdoor appliances.
 
12.9.2 A mechanical draft venting system of other than direct vent type shall terminate at least 4 ft (1.2 m) below, 4 ft (1.2 m) horizontally from, or 1 ft (300 mm) above any door, operable window, or gravity air inlet into any building. The bottom of the vent terminal shall be located at least 12 in. (300 mm) above finished ground level.

12.9.3 The vent terminal of a direct vent appliance with an input of 10,000 Btu/hr (3 kW) or less shall be located at least 6 in. (150 mm) from any air opening into a building, an appli­ance with an input over 10,000 Btu/hr (3 kW) but not over 50,000 Btu/hr (14.7 kW) shall be installed with a 9 in. (230 mm) vent termination clearance, and an appliance with an input over 50,000 Btu/hr (14.7 kW) shall have at least a 12 in. (300 mm) vent termination clearance. The bottom of the vent terminal and the air intake shall be located at least 12 in. (300 mm) above finished ground level.


12.9.4 Through-the-wall vents for Category II and Category IV appliances and noncategorized condensing appliances shall not terminate over public walkways or over an area where condensate or vapor could create a nuisance or hazard or could be detrimen­tal to the operation of regulators, relief valves, or other equip­ment. Where local experience indicates that condensate is a problem with Category I and Category III appliances, this provi­sion shall also apply. Drains for condensate shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturer's installation instructions.


12.9.5 Where vents, including those for direct-vent appli­ances or combustion air intake pipes, penetrate outside walls of buildings, the annular spaces around such penetrations shall be permanently sealed using approved materials to pre­vent entry of combustion products into the building.

As someone said

@ March 9, 2013 9:35 PM in Control Module Replacement Compatibility Question

it sounds like a bad pump. If the pump is not running you will shut off on limit and that is evident from the light sequence you say you have.

Why did you change the S9301 to begin with, what was the problem or is it the same problem.

What is the input

@ March 9, 2013 9:31 PM in Ideas on Quieting a Carlin EZ Gas Conversion Burner

in BTU's to the burner? Was a heat loss done on the house? Did anyone check the square feet of radiation?
Conversion burners have to be properly setup, adjusted and tested in order to fire correctly. They then tend to be at least equal to an oil burner for sound or hopefully slightly quieter.
What is your location?

What is the number on

@ March 8, 2013 7:50 PM in Problems with new(er) Honey well spark control

the pilot you are using?

That out-gassing problem was 20 years ago and Honeywell took care of that a long time ago. They pre bake all the cables and have been doing so since I worked with them  from 1994 to 1999. I have not had an out-gassing problem in years. I am very surprised that is still happening. There are other things that will cause what you are seeing for debris and that is increased odorant in the gas (ethyl mercaptan). It will also coat the sensor. I cover all this in my Electric Ignition Systems Volume I manual and also the solutions. You need to hook up your meter on ohms and slowly run it up and down the spark/sensor rod anything above .1 to .2 ohms it must be replaced, also do not let any part of the igniter wire touch any metal surface. This does not happen just on Honeywell controls it is possible on any of the intermittent ignition systems.

I would also do a combustion analysis on the boiler to make sure your CO levels are below 100 PPM. Take a temperature test in and around the pilot using a thermocouple hooked up to a temp testing meter, if the ambient temperature is very high around the cable and pilot then check to see what you have for draft before and after the draft hood. The draft should be -.02 to -.03 at all times and a net stack of around 400 °F. If it is lower you may be overheating in the combustion chamber. Poor draft and high temps mean you are not getting sufficient air for combustion.. 

The harness needs to be changed

@ March 8, 2013 7:38 PM in Control Module Replacement Compatibility Question

it comes with the module so that compatibiity between the system will occur. Before pulling the wires out of the shielded harness attach a piece of string so you can pull the wires back through the shielded (greenfield).

The fact that only the power light and tstat circ light are on (but not flashing) also tells me there may be a limit switch open somewhere on the boiler.That is next in the sequence of operation.

To the best of my knowledge

@ March 8, 2013 1:57 PM in Control Module Replacement Compatibility Question

the Honeywell S9301A - 1001 is obsolete and no longer made. The replacement is a United Technologies 1013-200 which can work with most pumps with no problem. Just make sure that the jumper which comes with the replacement is installed on the new board in place of the temperature sensor which typically is attached there.

My Daughter the coach.

@ March 7, 2013 9:58 PM in My Daughter the coach.

Just came back from the Rhode Island Girls State Hockey championship. My daughter is the coach of the girls hockey team in Barrington RI.  They are the champs once again by a 5 to 2 score in the finals. This is the third time my daughter has led them to the state championship. I love it big hugs and kisses for my little girl (48 years old  still my little girl). Yea Eagles!!!

Some are confused

@ March 7, 2013 11:10 AM in Tim McElwain IN New Jersey

this is not just for Oil Techs, ANYONE can attend. I am teaching on gas systems you see everyday.

Yes it used to be you could

@ March 7, 2013 10:50 AM in Problems with new(er) Honey well spark control

go to a catalog (printed) and find most controls. You could also get a specification sheet for the control and some educational material on the control. Now Honeywell, Robertshaw, White Rodgers etc tell you to contact the manufacturer who by the way does not care about specs that we are looking for so we can repair something. They will just send you a new part.  If you think boiler companies are bad try warm air manufacturers websites. You have to be a charter member of their fraternal organization to get even an I and O manual.

National Grid uses American Standard as their choice of warm air furnace for Mod/Cons. I get a lot of requests for training on that furnace.I have never been able to get any information from anyone on American Standard. Least of all the local rep who sells the furnace. Promises, promises but no delivery.

Try having to teach on all the different brands and can't get anyone to make available anything on their product. Now days the answer is we would prefer you do not teach on our gas product. We have a factory school for that which we encourage everyone to attend. So how many of you attend at least 5 factory schools a year?

To answer some questions?

@ March 6, 2013 1:28 PM in Tim McElwain IN New Jersey

You now DO NOT have to be a member of FMA to attend. Anyone can attend not just those from New Jersey.

The cost is less than my regular one week at my center which is $1,500 as the price being charged is based on FMA setting the price. I will be paid a flat fee for doing the courses.

Come on all those who have been after me to come into the NY, NJ and PA area we would love to have you.

Get your application in before March 25 as we start printing material's then and we need a good count by then to know how much to print.

You can also

@ March 5, 2013 1:33 PM in Problems with new(er) Honey well spark control

run a wire back from the pilot to the gas valve which will give you an even better ground connection.

Which control is

@ March 4, 2013 1:51 PM in Problems with new(er) Honey well spark control

this from Honeywell?

I have posted a seperate posting giving all the details

@ March 4, 2013 12:09 PM in Gas Training

of the New Jersey classes. Sorry at the present time they will only take applications for the full week, no individual days. That is out of my control and up to Fuel Marketers Association of New Jersey.

Heat Pro,

@ March 4, 2013 12:06 PM in Gas Training

I have a training center in Rhode Island and we conduct theses same classes every month. If you contact me at gastc@cox.net I will send you a schedule.

Tim McElwain IN New Jersey

@ March 4, 2013 12:01 PM in Tim McElwain IN New Jersey

The training has been opened up to everyone.  Sorry at the present time there can be no one or two day sign ups. You must sign up for the full week. I am being sponsored by the Fuel Marketers Association of New Jersey so all applications will go through them. Here is the info and application:

Fuel Merchants Association of New Jersey
Presents:

WEEK LONG IN DEPTH GAS TRAINING FOR OILHEAT SERVICE TECHNICIANS
Week of April 15, 2013 or
Week of April 22, 2013
WEEK LONG IN DEPTH GAS TRAINING FOR OILHEAT SERVICE TECHNICIANS
Week of April 15, 2013 or
Week of April 22, 2013 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

To be held at:
 
Energy Kinetics
51 Molasses Hill Road
Lebanon NJ, 08833
 
 
8:30am – 5:00pm
Daily

   COURSE SCHEDULE
 
 
Monday
Fundamentals of Gas Combustion
 
 
Tuesday
Circuitry &Troubleshooting
 
 
Wednesday
Hydronic Controls
 
 
Thursday
Electric Ignition Systems
 
 
Friday
Advanced Electric Ignition Systems


 
DATE:          Week of April 15 or Week of April 22, 2013
LOCATION:   Energy Kinetics, 51 Molasses Hill Road, Lebanon, NJ 08833
TIME:           8:30am – 5:00pm - Daily
COST:           $895 per person
$795 per person for 2-5
$695 per person for 6+
$1095.00 Non FMA member per person
 
As FMA members continue to diversify their service and installation offerings there is recognition that additional focus must be placed on educating our technicians on gas heat systems. To meet this need FMA has arranged for a week long course to be taught in New Jersey on gas heat basics.
The course will be offered twice in April 2013, once during the week of April 15th and once during the week of April 22nd. This scheduling will afford FMA members the opportunity to send some of their technicians one week and the rest the following week. The course will run from 8:30am-5:00pm and be taught by Tim McElwain President of Gas Appliance Service Training & Consulting and Gas Training Institute. Tim has over 40 years of gas training experience and comes highly recommended by Dan Holohan. Roger Marran of Energy Kinetics has graciously allowed the course to be offered at the Energy Kinetics facility; 51 Molasses Hill Road, Lebanon NJ, 08833, since it has both the room to accommodate the course and the ability to live fire equipment.
When Tim offers the course at his facility in Rhode Island the cost is $1,500 per person for the week. FMA has been able to negotiate a special rate which includes course materials, and breakfast and lunch.
For those who need overnight accommodations for their technicians the Holiday Inn in Clinton, NJ has provided us a special rate of $99 per night.  To make reservations contact 908-735-5111 and use Group Code: Energy Kinetics.
We need a minimum of 30 students per week or that week’s training will be cancelled.  To confirm your participation FMA must receive your payment in full no later than March 25, 2013.
 
 
 
 
 
REGISTRATION FORM
WEEK LONG IN DEPTH GAS TRAINING FOR OILHEAT SERVICE TECHNICIANS
COMPANY
ADDRESS
CITY
STATE                             ZIP
PHONE
          Week of April 15, 2013
          Week of April 22, 2013
Name(s)
 
 
 


Please complete this registration form and mail with your check payable to FMA/NJ in the amount of $____________.
$895 per person
$795 per person for 2-5
$695 per person for 6+
$1095 Non FMA member per person
 
Please return to FMA/NJ
Attn: Diana Gann
P.O. Box 477
Springfield, NJ 07081
Telephone: 973-467-1400
Fax: 973-467-4066
dgann@fmanj.org
 
 
 

The VR8300A-1054

@ March 1, 2013 9:14 PM in Penn Boiler G-75 (year 1966) parts, or replace unit?

is a 24 volt standing pilot gas valve which will defintly replace your valve. I would stake my 64 years experience in the businees of gas on that.

The replacement gas

@ March 1, 2013 2:22 PM in Penn Boiler G-75 (year 1966) parts, or replace unit?

valve is a VR8300A-1054 3/4" x 3/4" and it comes with bushings.

It looks like

@ March 1, 2013 11:01 AM in Gas Training

the group sponsoring me in New Jersey will be opening up registration to everyone who is interested. If you are on my e-mail list you will get an application on Monday by e-mail.

If I can fit everything here I will also post one on this site on Monday.

Which Integrated Boiler control

@ March 1, 2013 10:57 AM in Another GV problem

do you have on the GV?

Have you gone through testing the differential pressure on the pressure switch? It should be 1.4" W.C.

What are the numbers on the

@ March 1, 2013 10:54 AM in Penn Boiler G-75 (year 1966) parts, or replace unit?

Honeywell gas valve?