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all to no avail

@ September 2, 2014 8:02 AM in hot water demands

so I brought a heating consultant to the job.He asked all the questions regarding water usage etc.He told the homeowners the way the contractor is insulating is below par and will effect heat distribution etc.There is a steam boiler with 2 hot water zones plus a 50 gallon water heater.All first floor is getting renovated with a 600 sqft addition to first floor.Contractor wants to use existing steam rads and make a hot water zone in addition using toe kick heaters.Upstairs is wall to wall baseboard.Homeowner gets headaches as his room gets to hot before daughters room gets satisfied.Anyhow they want to run 3 showers at the same time for 20 minutes.Heating consultant wants to put in a modcon with a indirect ,I forget what size he said.He initially wanted a reverse indirect bit the boiler would have been way to big on heating side.We were going to put panel rads(jaga) with TRV's.Long story short he got thrown out by gc and told he was going to delay project.So we are going back to original design except we are putting in a 75 gallon water heater.Homeowners have asked me will it work and will the heat work.I told them they wont get what they want from hot water heater and the GC is basically guessing on the heat.No heatloss will be performed .I told homeowners I will do everything GC tells me to do but call him for heat related issues.I do like the tankless idea Jack and will talk to my heating designer.He usually goes with a reverse indirec and a storage tank.Anyhow of we go for another exciting day.

Rich this is Long Island

@ August 31, 2014 8:28 PM in Hot water radiators in place of steam system or hvac

Hi Rich I couldn't agree more with your answer.Panel rads with TRV.This is what I am proposing to a potential client.I have a heating consultant design system,heatloss etc.We proposed radiant but money was an issue.This was the next best option.Return on investment.The reason I say Long Island Rich is because majority of homes are covered wall to wall with baseboard.Great answer you gave this person.
By the way without adequate insulation etc your new heating system will be fighting a loosing battle.I feel that is where you should start.There is programs out there where you can get funding if money is tight(nyserda).If you tighten your house and take Rich's advice then you will have a comfortable system and add value to your house.

could''t agree more

@ August 31, 2014 10:46 AM in hot water demands

So the customer has steam on first floor and took a hot water loop for baseboard on 2nd floor.Every room has heating problems.They are undergoing a renovation and we are proposing a whole new heating system with indirect.I have a guy I use to do my heatloss,boiler sizing ,water sizing as I know my capabilities.I put it together but as you know there is a lot more to making a system work correctly than guessworking on sizing.
Problem is they still believe the other plumber but as you say math does not lie.Thanks for your time and advice.Have a great holiday weekend.

used tools

@ August 31, 2014 9:25 AM in Is buying a used threader risky?

I bought my ridgid 300 used 3 years ago and have yet to have a problem.Just like anything TLC.I suppose there is always a risk when buying used but we all have budgets.Good luck with it.


@ August 31, 2014 9:22 AM in Navien CH180ASME

This is very interesting.As another who is not a combi fan how do you compete with these Navien installers.Even to get a quality combi and piped correctly,combustion analysis etc I bet you are a lot more than these guys.Do you find you have to compromise sometimes and compete with the one day miracle workers who slap these Naviens in and walk away.Right now it is very competitive whats the answers.I am not in a position to walk away from every job.Thanks.

Call tech support

@ August 31, 2014 9:10 AM in Burnham Alpine Furnace

Plumber sounds like a good guy.Why dont you bring him back and let him talk to tech support and I am sure they will walk him through it.I am not to familiar with the Alpine but good luck and I am sure you will get some great answers here.Good luck

hot water demands

@ August 31, 2014 9:06 AM in hot water demands

Has anyone been experiencing an upturn on hot water demands.For some reason my last two customers want three showers running at the same time for 20 minutes.When you start to add it up with body sprays etc its getting a little crazy.A prospective customer was told her 50 gallon water heater was good for what she needs.After explaining to her the limitations and what I proposed to her she thinks i am crazy and trying to take her money.How do you guys handle these people.

lost art

@ August 29, 2014 6:16 PM in Going around obsticals

page 95 on lost art of steam heating I think shows what you have to do.Dan has a way of doing it without a drip.Check it out,I am sure you have the book

what are you trying to do.

@ August 28, 2014 6:42 AM in why these two adpaters' price difference is so big?

First one is a fitting adaptor meaning the copper side slips into a fitting and can be soldered.Second is a male adaptor.Third is a female elbow.I use these for roughing out a fixture.If it is a toilet for example i put the female 90 where it needs to be.When doing finish work I install a brass nipple with valve.

lead wiping

@ August 28, 2014 6:37 AM in Lead wiping

Hi Tony,sorry I am not an old timer but where I live you are required to wipe a lead joint .Very interesting and you gain a lot of respect for the old timers who did it on a daily basis.What do you need help with.


@ August 27, 2014 8:25 AM in Buderus Indirect Hot Water tank

You run your electric water heater and you will see pricey.Put an indirect on and bite the bullet.7yrs is a long time.Heating season is coming so get on top of it.A cheaper option might be a turbomax reverse indirect.I hear it works nice and might be cheaper than a indirect.Do your homework and I am sure you will get great advice here.Good luck.

Takes a lot of confidence

@ August 27, 2014 8:20 AM in Jstar to the rescue

You have the attention of a lot of heavy hitters.2hr commute etc I hope customer really understands what it takes to get someone of your caliber to come.Hope the customer has breakfast and lunch for you everyday on a silver platter.The best dont come cheap so lets stay away from the reasonable price quote thing.

Has the target been met

@ August 27, 2014 8:14 AM in Extra Life for Kids!

Any luck on Chris meeting his goal.Very nice of you Mr Holohan for letting Chris promote this on your site.

Alan Forbes pic

@ August 27, 2014 8:12 AM in Off-topic: wall-hung toilets

That is how you mount it correctly.Look very carefull and study that pic.We had a contractor who would not frame a 2x6 stud wall and used metal studs (unre-inforced).We made him sign a letter saying he was responsible and was advised differently but he is a GC and has letters after his name so why would he take advice from a lowly plumber.Bottom line after install the whole wall was moving due to customer sitting on toilet.GC had to re-demo bathroom and frame with 2x6 studs as Alan has shown.Geberit is a fine productin my opinion although it has been a while since I put one in.Best of luck

hot water risers

@ August 25, 2014 11:32 PM in Swing joints. How do they work?

we also use a six elbow swing on hot water risers on high risers.My friend an incredible plumber showed me how but due to my computer inadaquacies or spelling I cant draw it out for you.It is beautiful though

every day is a school day

@ August 24, 2014 8:17 PM in Hot water baseboard heater too big for room

thanks Rob for sharing that one.I have never seen it.Looks like a great solution.

HI Rich

@ August 24, 2014 1:11 PM in a.o smith promax direct vent

The chimney is original with furnace directly connected to it.They are both the same age,then someone came in and cut a wye into flue for gas water heater.Thanks for your reply,after all installs I hire a guy to test combustion make a very valid point though and its appreciated.


@ August 24, 2014 1:02 PM in you will go with one-pipe monoflo setting or two-pipe reverse return setting?

Why out of curiousity are you going with an Alpine

how is your venting

@ August 24, 2014 1:00 PM in quick odor in sinks/showers

Take a quick look at roof and make sure you have adequate vent size going through roof.If you poor water down traps does smell go? Have you galv waste pipes,if house is 100yrs old i am assuming you do,I take Icesailors advice all the time .On this I would look for blocked vents,you could be loosing the seal on your traps.


@ August 24, 2014 7:54 AM in Hot water baseboard heater too big for room

Dan goes into this on one of his books and I used it once to great success.Add a TRV and a bypass loop in 1/2 inch.When rad is satisfied valve closes and water continues through loop to reat of zone.You might find his diagram under Systems on the top of the page.Good luck.

tricky one

@ August 24, 2014 7:51 AM in who builds?

last year I had to repipe an oil boiler .Plumber moved old boiler into garage but ran flue pipe through soffit into existing chimney.I am the first to admit I am not an oil guy but it was during sandy and the homeowner could not get their oil company.Long story short,I broke open the soffit and I promise you the underside of first floor wood was covered in burn and scorch marks.We installed a triple wall vent.When we got boiler running you could keep your hand on this vent.Be very careful.If building a chimney you use a chimney company.How old is your boiler.Before you spend a fortune on addition I try to get customers to start at the engine room.My last customer has a 70 gallon soaking tub with a 30 gallon water heater.They have no money to upgrade heating system but spent over $6k on fixtures.Do you access to gas?


@ August 20, 2014 7:43 PM in Extra Life for Kids!

when I entered my info it says click to next page but nothing happens am I doing something wrong.
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