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venting a boiler.

@ September 8, 2014 6:52 AM in PVC Venting on boilers again!

HDE obviously you have your homework done.This is the problem i am having.I switched to centrotherm after the whole PVC debacle.How do we sell these units to customers if we are having basic concerns about venting.I mean should this be an issue.What do they do in Europe.This is why myy old company stays with atmospheric boilers.He cant handle the b/s.Look you got some great minds here and there is no definite answer on a basic question.Thanks for bringing it up.


@ September 8, 2014 6:47 AM in hot water demands

But what about Gennady said,I looked it up and it looks great,how many have you used.Is the price I saw online for real,around 6k.I am definitly going to look into it but for that price I know what I am getting with the products I normally use.Thanks again for the link.I see you work in NY who has this unit.

thanks swei

@ September 8, 2014 6:42 AM in dishwasher waste piping

I was venting.Sometimes in these local towns the inspector comes with his hand out first.Ii appreciate all you contribute here and that is why I am here,as it can be said you as good as the person who trains you so there is always room for improvement.Problem I am having is I get all these licenses for different towns,but a lot of GC's dont pull permits which in turn means they do their own plumbing.Poor old Mrs Jones has no idea what is happening to her but is being sold a good story.Again I apologize if I came off a bit crude.Thanks for your response.


@ September 7, 2014 3:42 PM in dishwasher waste piping

thanks and your recomendation is duly noted and will be piped accordingly
Swei ,I worked in NYC for many years and believe me we covered a lot and most I learned from old timers.I recently moved to where city codes followed and town by town you have different inspectors asking for different things.Yes Swei,I have worked on 8inch sewer pipe in a 50 story building and yes everyone was home and saved their last flush for us.Yes I have worked on 4Inch threaded gas.I have been around a little bit .I amtrying to get to grips with studor vents, wet venting all the things we never did.Sorry if my ? offended you.Yes I can do a lead wipe and yes I hate pvc and pex .As I recall pex should only be run using a homerun system how many times do you see that.I have the greatest respect for old timers and when icesailor speaks i listen.Thanks.


@ September 7, 2014 2:38 PM in How do you calculate BTU output for Sunrad type radiators?

I recommend you get Dans book,E.D.R.It will tell you everything you need to know.

permits on job

@ September 7, 2014 10:48 AM in dishwasher waste piping

Not looking for a shortcut.D/S waste is 6ft i believe from kitchen sink cabinet.I dont want to run hose all that way.I dont like short cuts and want to do right way but this bloody GC is held up on structural issues and now just wants everything done bing bang boom.Dont work like that though

You got lucky

@ September 7, 2014 10:43 AM in New Natural Gas Service in 6 - 8 weeks

If you want advice here bring KCOPP to your house.End of story .Good luck


@ September 7, 2014 10:41 AM in hot water demands

I never heard of this unit and looked it up.Have you been using it long .Looks great and has a lot of answers to some potential problems.As for H stamp much respect to Gennady but where I am and what I see if inspectors actually Inspected installations we might have a better chance of advancing .Thanks for the link

IBC biler alpine indirect

@ September 7, 2014 10:31 AM in What Heating System Do the Heating Professionals

Circs all grundfoss 2699 for indirect and grundfoss alpha for zones.Caleffi zone valves.In hindsight indirect is not working as I wanted exchanger is not taking BTUs away quick enough and am having issues with to many cycles on hot water demand.Caleffi mixing valve of indirect.When I get money together I will change indirect,Good product but not working for me.Would love to upgrade to wifi thermostats etc but you got to live within your budget.Nice for M.E to get involved in this as this is where we learn from the best.Good luck

extremely interested

@ September 7, 2014 10:21 AM in Fire Side chats with the RPA...

By the wat John,if I am seeing correctly with all your high tech gizmos looks like you have a table for applying makeup,lip gloss etc.I think I might try this on my next client,Will they appreciate a nice red lip gloss or what do you go for.On a serious note i am bummed I missed it but am going to sign up and try to catch up.Great stuff and thanks for sharing.By the way how did you do in Amagansett

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@ September 7, 2014 10:13 AM in PVC Venting on boilers again!


Thankyou all for your time to respond

@ September 6, 2014 7:28 AM in hot water demands

My potential customers have come back to thinking mod/con indirect.I told them again I am having no responsibility for heating design that contractor is proposing.After spending a few hours with them we went over pros and cons.Example,functioning basement bathroom.It works and gets used once a year when owners brother comes to stay.They wanted to gut and renovate it.I suggested why not paint it ,dress it up a bit and put your money into heating system.They are coming around and if no one has any objections I might direct them to this post.Thanks again.

dishwasher waste piping

@ September 6, 2014 7:23 AM in dishwasher waste piping

Good morning all and hope everyone is doing ok out there.A quickie.Dishwasher is been installed in an island about 6ft from kitchen sink.I would like to run a designated waste line,trap and vent.My old buddy the contractor thinks I am overkilling it and he wants to pump it into kitchen sink drain like you normally would if d/s is beside sink.What dio you think?Thanks

this should be interesting

@ September 5, 2014 10:36 PM in New Natural Gas Service in 6 - 8 weeks

All depends on budget.I lost a lot of work in these situations.Your neighbors will probably get a lot of quotes and from experience they will probably get an option to go with the series 2 Burnham with 50 gallon water heater,big rebate from Nat grid andof course there is a reason for that or they will get an es2 with alliance indirect,more money but add outdoor reset and it works pretty good..In my house I put in a IBC condensing boiler SL 115 with indirect.Fuel savings are 65-70 % from my old oil work horse.Many great boilers,pick the right installer.


@ September 5, 2014 7:36 AM in PVC Venting on boilers again!

I just use centrotherm.Easy to use and I know i have no issues.Not getting into the pvc right or wrong thing.

Not that easy out here

@ September 4, 2014 8:07 PM in Long Island - code question

John,I worked in the city for 15yrs.The one thing I never understood when I moved out to Long Island was the B/S you have to go through.The amount of areas that require different licenses and how the codes are different in many towns.Whenever I am unsure I always call plumbing dept and you will get an answer from a inspector.Call the town at 7.30 am that is usually when you can get them.It amazes me why there cant be either a county license or Ny license excluding the five boroughs as we all know the real challenging plumbing is done in the city.I understand your frustrations but I think the only way you will know is to call inspector.(even though you know the answer).But again if it is code the plumber has to go back and do right.

all to no avail

@ September 2, 2014 8:02 AM in hot water demands

so I brought a heating consultant to the job.He asked all the questions regarding water usage etc.He told the homeowners the way the contractor is insulating is below par and will effect heat distribution etc.There is a steam boiler with 2 hot water zones plus a 50 gallon water heater.All first floor is getting renovated with a 600 sqft addition to first floor.Contractor wants to use existing steam rads and make a hot water zone in addition using toe kick heaters.Upstairs is wall to wall baseboard.Homeowner gets headaches as his room gets to hot before daughters room gets satisfied.Anyhow they want to run 3 showers at the same time for 20 minutes.Heating consultant wants to put in a modcon with a indirect ,I forget what size he said.He initially wanted a reverse indirect bit the boiler would have been way to big on heating side.We were going to put panel rads(jaga) with TRV's.Long story short he got thrown out by gc and told he was going to delay project.So we are going back to original design except we are putting in a 75 gallon water heater.Homeowners have asked me will it work and will the heat work.I told them they wont get what they want from hot water heater and the GC is basically guessing on the heat.No heatloss will be performed .I told homeowners I will do everything GC tells me to do but call him for heat related issues.I do like the tankless idea Jack and will talk to my heating designer.He usually goes with a reverse indirec and a storage tank.Anyhow of we go for another exciting day.

Rich this is Long Island

@ August 31, 2014 8:28 PM in Hot water radiators in place of steam system or hvac

Hi Rich I couldn't agree more with your answer.Panel rads with TRV.This is what I am proposing to a potential client.I have a heating consultant design system,heatloss etc.We proposed radiant but money was an issue.This was the next best option.Return on investment.The reason I say Long Island Rich is because majority of homes are covered wall to wall with baseboard.Great answer you gave this person.
By the way without adequate insulation etc your new heating system will be fighting a loosing battle.I feel that is where you should start.There is programs out there where you can get funding if money is tight(nyserda).If you tighten your house and take Rich's advice then you will have a comfortable system and add value to your house.

could''t agree more

@ August 31, 2014 10:46 AM in hot water demands

So the customer has steam on first floor and took a hot water loop for baseboard on 2nd floor.Every room has heating problems.They are undergoing a renovation and we are proposing a whole new heating system with indirect.I have a guy I use to do my heatloss,boiler sizing ,water sizing as I know my capabilities.I put it together but as you know there is a lot more to making a system work correctly than guessworking on sizing.
Problem is they still believe the other plumber but as you say math does not lie.Thanks for your time and advice.Have a great holiday weekend.

used tools

@ August 31, 2014 9:25 AM in Is buying a used threader risky?

I bought my ridgid 300 used 3 years ago and have yet to have a problem.Just like anything TLC.I suppose there is always a risk when buying used but we all have budgets.Good luck with it.


@ August 31, 2014 9:22 AM in Navien CH180ASME

This is very interesting.As another who is not a combi fan how do you compete with these Navien installers.Even to get a quality combi and piped correctly,combustion analysis etc I bet you are a lot more than these guys.Do you find you have to compromise sometimes and compete with the one day miracle workers who slap these Naviens in and walk away.Right now it is very competitive whats the answers.I am not in a position to walk away from every job.Thanks.

Call tech support

@ August 31, 2014 9:10 AM in Burnham Alpine Furnace

Plumber sounds like a good guy.Why dont you bring him back and let him talk to tech support and I am sure they will walk him through it.I am not to familiar with the Alpine but good luck and I am sure you will get some great answers here.Good luck
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