Heating Help

Weil Mclain CGa-4 SPDN-North Jersey

@ May 17, 2013 10:11 PM in Weil Mclain CGa-4 SPDN

Boiler was put in service in October of 2011. Comes with everything needed to swap out your old one. Selling for a customer of mine because the town bought out his home because of constant flooding issues. This boiler was put in after the last time it flooded, this has never seen flood water and was installed on a 2 foot high pad. Boiler was hydrostatic tested at 30 PSI. Electrical tested before boiler was disconnected. Priced for a fast sale. Homeowner moving out by the end of the month. Boiler is $1700 brand new. $1000 OBO. Also have a 40 gallon water heater that will be thrown in for an additional $150. Water heater installed just a couple months before the boiler. Please contact me at (862) 686-4068. Robert

Parker TXV ECE-B-VZ brand new

@ March 29, 2013 2:20 PM in Parker TXV ECE-B-VZ brand new

Looking to get $120 for it. Brand new TXV used for low temp refrigeration (-40-0 degrees F). Free shipping to the 48. Email me at boilingpointmechanical@yahoo.com

Better safe then sued.....

@ March 19, 2013 4:29 PM in Ef-22a

The price of this stuff is WAY lower then 22, maybe its because they only give you 12 lb.....but anyway, i thinks its best to continue biting the bullet for r-22 with the hope of complete phase out in the near future.

Ef-22a

@ March 13, 2013 9:19 PM in Ef-22a

Anyone have experience with this?. I'm pretty sure EPA hasn't allowed the use of this product in residential yet. Its natural but it does have propane as part of the mix which may cause some liability issues. On top of that, you don't need a 608 Cert, which is absolutely ridiculous. You can't buy non-explosive refrigerant because its not environmentally friendly but you can throw this stuff in and possibly burn down your home?

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@ March 11, 2013 10:25 PM in Oil to gas conversion

Well.....if you needed the same exact amount of heat as the previous year, then yes you would use somewhere around 1,400 therms......but this is highly unlikely. Are you trying to size your gas burner? What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this? Many factors are involved in amount of fuel consumption, but if your sizing your system thats different.

Hungry water

@ February 5, 2013 4:04 PM in Pics of 23 year old weil mclain FAILED end section of boiler

All that fresh water ate that boiler for breakfast, lunch and dinner not awful though if you got two decades out of it. I've seen much better and also much worse.

Which rad

@ November 7, 2012 1:30 PM in System Balancing and Interested Previous Owner Hack

Is not heating? Is that the one that had been re-piped? Maybe the copper has sags in it which is causing bellies of water.

He doesn't agree with him

@ October 18, 2012 5:57 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

But he doesn't want the headache or the inspector on his ass in future jobs. It's his customer so he can do what he wants but if that was my customer theres no way im letting the inspector tell me how to pipe a boiler especially when its wrong. If you know more than me, than by all means but this inspector doesnt know a whole lot about steam heating and thats pretty obvious.

The saddest part

@ October 18, 2012 5:29 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Is what the art of steam heating has become over the years. I'm only 26 and by the time i'm in my 30's and 40's there may not even be any steam heat outside of NYC. It really is sad. And the steam heating thats used and worked on today is so hacked theres almost no turning back the clock. I guess i was born in the wrong era.

Dave....

@ October 18, 2012 4:46 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

The inspector is not the one who mentioned about the bullheaded tee. That was crowns reccomendation. I was already figuring repiping that sextion of it, it was just a small lazy part on my end because it was already conveniently completed that way. My uncle told me i was being dramatic and that he didnt want me dealing with the issue anymore, so now i'm off the job for lack of better words and he is going to do it incorrectly as per the inspector. I told him i have a letter from crown stating that warranty will be void if its piped in that manner but he didnt care, according to him his boilers from 30 years ago are still working.....i told him they may be working, but are they noisy, heat unevenly and run like crap......probably. My last option would be to write a letter to the state, requesting of a new mechanical code for smaller residential boilers and inspections. Am i going to far with this??

Be careful

@ October 18, 2012 3:19 PM in RobB

With the amount of fresh water you are introducing. Every morning is pretty extreme. The system buildup could be pretty bad if servicing was not done throughout the systems lifetime. A new boiler will act as a cleaning pad and remove a lot of loose contaminants from throughout the system. The water is never going to be as clear as drinking water, so your expectations will never be matched but a good system cleaning would probably be a good idea. If you have the correct piping configurations and necessary drains, you can get a system pretty clean in about a days work. TSP works really well, if you have any of dan's books a good cleaning method should be in ere. If not, pick one up just for the sake of having a decent all around knowledge of your current system. Education for homeowners can go a long way in seeing what contractors are good and which are just plain bad.

Thats

@ October 18, 2012 3:11 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Funny. Didnt think about that. Give him a complimentary course on the house.

Call for help....dan please help the dying art......

@ October 18, 2012 2:53 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

I hope dan has read this topic and has some type of answer for me. Anyone know a way to get in touch with him. I wish there was a class coming up soon in my area.

Is there an end in sight...

@ October 18, 2012 2:51 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

My uncle told me to disconnect myself from the job because he doesn't want any problems with the inspector. I told him crown sent me a letter that says warranty will be voided if its piped as the inspectors drawing shows, he said he didn't care. I can't believe i'm related to these people. What should i do, is there an end to our dying art in the near future. There has to be more boilers piped incorrectly than correctly nowadays. How come no boiler inspectors, we're relying on plumbers with little to no knowledge of steam heating. This is bad for the art, the state, the boiler companies and most importantly the customer.

Bio...

@ October 18, 2012 2:46 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Another clitononian huh?? I know that the plumbing inspector recently changed over there.

Ok it settled. Steam heating is dead in clifton, nj

@ October 18, 2012 11:36 AM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

GOT THE LETTER!! Certified by Crown that a drop header is perfect. He also told me not to pipe it the way the inspector said. Drawing attached in the letter as well. I told my uncle lets continue the fight. He doesn't want the headache and when it bangs, makes noose and runs like garbage that its not our problem. I can't believe what i' m going through. All to pipe it in the best possible way. Inspector doesn't want drop headers in residential. Makes no sense, steam is steam, from 200 sq ft to 2,000. It still acts the same way.i think i'm gonna start a petition or something.

Heat loss needs to be done

@ October 17, 2012 5:41 PM in Oil To Gas Boiler Conversion

Rad size and home soze doesnt dictate boiler size. Complete a heat loss calc and you will get you answer. Slant fin has a prettygood program.

Its beyond frustrating

@ October 17, 2012 4:55 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

You read the books, attend the classes, study, read, draw.....all for what? A glorified plumber to come tell you everything you do and know is not accepted. If he would have just said change the equalizer fine, i was all set to do that and should have done it in the first place but for him to make me take out my drop header and pipe it in copper just has neglect written all over it and thats the last thing i want to give my customers. When i fired it up the first time, the homeowner was suprised because there wasnt even a peep or a click. I can only imagine what its going to sound like now.

Did you see the drawing

@ October 17, 2012 4:23 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Bio?? Thats how it wants it. First thats not even close to what the book says, second the book says threaded fittings and he says copper. Whats this world of steam coming to?

I guess

@ October 17, 2012 4:09 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

The inspector doesn't care about the customer cause he said how he wanted it piped and its one of the worst recommendations i've seen.

The bullheaded tee

@ October 17, 2012 1:29 PM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Is definately not how i normally do it but all that was previously done and i figured it was convenient. This is all however a no go unless crown stamps a drop down header drawing. They dont currently have a drop header diagram and the inspector doesnt want one unless crown states its ok in their book. This guy is being a real a-hole.so i'm gonna have to do it the way he wants it as wrong as it is. Just dont expect me to repipe it again when the things bangs like all hell. I tired to do it right but i guess the inspector is the final say. My idiot grandfather ahould have never pulled permits.

Great pic gerry

@ October 17, 2012 10:37 AM in New crown boiler install. 3" drop header, inspector not happy!

Haven't seen that one yet. That is pretty crazy. I may have to repipe the equalizer but im hoping i still get away with it.