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@ April 3, 2012 8:05 PM in Need to get a gas gun in Bud G115/4, carlin G3B or EZ??

We have converted a handful to LP using the Riello 40 series Gas burners.  That is the burner that was recommended by Buderus a few years ago.  I haven't had any problems. 

Good Luck.

It isn't that special.

@ April 3, 2012 5:33 AM in Do I need a boiler with a coil if I buy an indirect water tank

I have been to their N.H. facility and to their foundry in Germany.  It has an additive to assist with expansion and contraction, but so do all the castings coming out of Bally, PA.  Corrosion has never been a problem with cast iron.  I work on boilers that are 70+ years old and still ticking.  The cast iron isn't the problem if yours failed.  It was the installer.

Not to hijack Leo's thread, but...

@ April 2, 2012 9:25 PM in Happening elsewhere?

I would have to agree with FurnaceFighter here.  I too spend most of my time these days in high btu applications.  I have found that 90% mod/cons are not the be-all-end-all resource for heating.  Just did a school where we pulled out an old CB and went back with a Viessmann Vitorond 200 oil with the Riello RM-70 burner.  Natural is not available and LP in a btu per btu comparison doesn't hold up.  With the amount of high temp radiation in this building, a mod/con wasn't gonna work.  We are modulating and we have outdoor reset, but on it's best day it ain't gonna make 90%.

You can forget mod/cons actually performing at 90% for very much of their life in applications above 3 million BTU's.  

You are way off base Paul.

@ April 2, 2012 9:14 PM in Do I need a boiler with a coil if I buy an indirect water tank

Cast Iron has its place.  More so than low mass problematic mod/cons.  Your claims are not supported.  The MPO is an excellent choice in this application.

As to Ron's post about real world numbers, try saving 200 gallons over a heat season by switching from a single pass, top flue pinner (New Yorker Cast Iron 3 section with tankless coil) to a Buderus G115/21 with an indirect.  One of my customers from 2 years ago did.  This is in Eastern Maine with a -10 design temp.  Will that happen every time?  I don't know.  But it did here.

I agree to a point....

@ April 1, 2012 2:09 PM in Replacing old oil boiler

Follow the above advice.  It is spot on.

To FurnaceFighter, most of the Mod/Cons from Europe are limited to 174 deg F.  That number is not adjustable.  Viessmann Vitodens 200 is limited to 167.  As you stated, the biggest drawback is that the mod/con is not very efficient at higher operating temps. 

I have had two residential and a handful of commercial projects recently where bid-spec buildings were built with exactly the amount of high temp radiation needed at design condition.
On one of these jobs, the contractor that did the change out used a Vitodens 200 (which is my favorite mod/con, hands down).  The customer complained of not making setpoint in the dead of winter.  We made some minor adjustments and made the system constant circ and that helped a lot.  We added additional radiation the following summer.
These were extreme cases, but highlights the need to have a proper heat loss done and compare that with the actual radiation in place.

Good Luck

Still. Call Peerless.

@ April 1, 2012 2:03 PM in Peerless WV-05 conversion to gas

Peerless is the boiler manufacturer.  Any burner that is put on their boiler, must be approved by them to continue its Listing.  All central heating appliances must be Listed, by UL or CSA or ....  So a phone call to them could save you the hassle.

By contacting them, they can tell you if that boiler was tested with a gas power burner and if so, which one. 

what is your location?

@ April 1, 2012 7:57 AM in ridge 700 for sale

Where are you?

Time to call in a Pro.

@ April 1, 2012 7:52 AM in Peerless WV-05 conversion to gas

Oil to Gas conversions are not DIY projects at all.  Please do not try this yourself.

As for whether your equipment is a candidate for conversion, your technician can obtain that information from Peerless.  They will give him the proper conversion burner and any pertinent setup data for the change over. 

Good Luck.

Storage Tank?

@ April 1, 2012 7:48 AM in Boiler making loud noise when filling storage tank

I assume you are refering to the indirect Domestic Water Heater tank.  There are a few things that could be causing this and most of them are water flow related.  Can you take some pictures of your boiler and the associated piping and post them here.  Then we could try and assist you.

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@ March 31, 2012 9:37 PM in Modulation Range - Burnham Alpine


@ March 31, 2012 9:35 PM in Modulation Range - Burnham Alpine

The modulation range of negative pressure gas systems is determined by the minimum allowable fan speed.  Most of the fans can't be run below 20% of full HZ.  Thus the industry standard of 5 to 1 turn down ratios.

IBC had a boiler with a 10 to 1 turndown, but I am not sure what they were doing different.
A buffer tank or true hydronic separation is your best option.

18" from any combustible surface.

@ March 31, 2012 6:30 PM in BIASI BOILER/Clearance

In the state of Maine it is 18" from the surface of the smoke pipe to any combustible surface.  Straight line measurement.  This is for single wall smoke pipe.

The pinners don't meet the specs

@ March 30, 2012 9:35 PM in Small oil boiler

The specs that they are writing for these grants aren't met by the pinners.  Only the 3 passers will meet it.

I have been using the Burnham MPO.  Not my absolute favorite boiler, but one of the better ones.

I have been looking at the Peerless Cast 92-2 and 92-4's for my gas "Buy America" jobs.  That and the Hydrotherm KN series.  They are essentially the same boiler, but the Hydrotherm gives me a higher range, going up to 3 million.

Funny Paul.

@ March 30, 2012 10:37 AM in Mega Steam

I actually saw one of your Mod/Cons rocking and rolling due to misapplication yesterday.  It was a 501.  Scares the hell out of you for a few seconds.

Nice work Dan.

Good Job Henry

@ March 30, 2012 10:32 AM in New HTP install

Just a bit of advice.
If this is a high temp application, (160 - 180 deg F) then pay special attention to maintenance of the heat exchanger.  We are seeing some issues in the oldest versions of these that were run in that temp band for the bulk of their life.

I agree, easy to program and install.  I have become nervous in the last 6 months after seeing some of the previously mentioned issues.

Good Job.


@ March 29, 2012 9:00 PM in DrPepper

Great looking work David.

James list

@ March 29, 2012 8:45 PM in Capacitors

Our vans stock a list pretty similar to James'.  We don't keep 5's on the truck and maybe only one or two 7.5 for blower motors.  Most of our stuff is large commercial and institutional.  I like the multi taps, but don't completely trust them.  We use them to get out of a jam, but always replace them with the correct cap as soon as we can get one.

Buy America Act

@ March 29, 2012 8:29 PM in Small oil boiler

Most of the state jobs that I am seeing these days are grant funded through the "Buy America Act".  I looked at a job the other day where one of the European boilers would have been an absolutely perfect fit.  Couldn't use it.  Didn't get the job anyway.  Oh well.  Win some.  Loss some.
I would look at the Burnham myself.

The lineset has nothing to do with pressure Yesindeed.

@ March 13, 2012 8:43 PM in converting to 410a

It is all ACR tubing. The concern is whether there are soft soldered joints in the piping. Aside from that, follow furnacefighters advice. He is spot on.


@ March 12, 2012 6:42 PM in Common venting for mod- con boilers?

SWEI is correct. It has to do with the listing.

If the manufacturer had it tested by UL or CSA with common venting then yes. If not then no. Check with your manufacturer.

Thanks SWEI

@ March 12, 2012 6:37 PM in Peerless Cast 92-2/4

You are correct with the lower btu models. i have heard of some issues on the larger ones. I have a colleague that has a couple 399's that he is started to get concerned about.

The inherent problem lies in the lack of a thermal mass to distribute the heat in the heat exchanger. A burner large enough to fire at half a million btus puts an incredible strain on the heat exchanger when subjected to the high end of the temperature band over the bulk of its life.

I am going to visit a site with 18 Hydrotherm KN's on Thursday. These have been up and running for a while and I am interested to talk to the guy that maintains them.

I will let you know.

Thanks Robert.

@ March 11, 2012 7:28 PM in Peerless Cast 92-2/4

I do a lot of 10,000+ sq ft high end residential and commercial. (As well as some large institutional work.) I have used the Elite's and Knights in the past with good results. However, I recently have seen some issues with the Gianonni's when subjected to high temps for extended periods.

The smaller boilers seem fine, it is the large ones, 200-600K that are showing the problems. I am searching for a solid retrofit boiler with modulation that can handle 180 design temps.

Thank you.
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