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gas line sizing

@ April 14, 2012 12:22 AM in gas line size? and how to determine tim plz

are you a master plumber? if not, why are you working on gas lines not knowing basic gas rules?


@ April 13, 2012 9:40 PM in Propress or Xpress

I m using x-press for 3 years, no leaks.

freewatt system

@ April 10, 2012 6:15 PM in Any issues with this near boiler piping diagram?

What Freewatt does , is supplying electricity for 1/2 price and heating and hot water for free most of the time. net metering applies here to the extent, that you do not want sell electricity back to utility, all you want is to keep electric meter around 0. during electrical consumption house gets electricity from Freewatt and grid, so meter rotates to positive direction, at night, when Freewatt generates more than house consumes, it send power back to grid, and meter rotates to negative direction, decreasing electrical meter reading.

exp tank connection

@ April 10, 2012 8:04 AM in Any issues with this near boiler piping diagram?

i do it the way it shown on the picture, If there dirt it goes down not to expansion tank . actually there is no flow in the pipe between exp tank and connection tee. it is dead end pipe.
Also, after flushing, chemical cleaning of the system and adding water conditioner, there is not much dirt left in the system.

flow check

@ April 9, 2012 10:51 PM in Any issues with this near boiler piping diagram?

you do not need flow check on low mass boilers. especially on boiler side of LLH. Also i would move expansion tank to the bottom of low loss header.


@ April 8, 2012 2:54 PM in Little Brass Cup-shaped thing above expansion tank is leaking

Also, you must have straight piece of pipe with no connections at least 18" upstream of this brass thing, ( or to be exact, cast iron thing it is mounted on) to get laminar flow for good air removal.

brass thing

@ April 8, 2012 2:09 PM in Little Brass Cup-shaped thing above expansion tank is leaking

This air removal device. I always leave red cap loose, or remove it at all. If it leaks, replace it.

public and spec build jobs

@ April 4, 2012 11:28 AM in Happening elsewhere?

here is a very interesting article regarding spec build work, and i think this is why high efficiency heating will never work on public and spec build jobs.

Contractors Do Whatever They Want

by Ron Roberts

Deviating from plans and specs is common practice. The only instance that I can imagine a contractor not deviating from plans and specs is Corps work.

There are two primary reasons contractors deviate from the approved work scope.

1. The plans & specs are stupid, in error, in complete, or internally conflicting.
2. Nobody is playing cop with the field crews.

Reason number one should be self-evident to anyone who has looked at plans and specs closely. They were getting bad back in 1994 when I walked away from an engineering firm. When I next laid eyes on them next in 2005 I about fell out of my chair laughing. They were ridiculously shoddy.

Architects and engineers throw details on drawings and requirements in specs just in case they are needed. Nine times out of ten, the details conflict with each other and / or they are completely inappropriate for the building being delivered.

I don't blame the designers for this sickening trend. It's driven by the fee reductions and the errors and omissions liability claims forced on them by owners.

Contractors are forced to use their best judgment or do whatever they want. Option number two is available as NO ONE WATCHES THEM.

Back in the day owners paid design teams to spend considerable time on site making sure the contractors built the job right. That doesn't happen much anymore. General contractors certainly aren't going to make sure their subs do their work by the letter of the law. GCs are more concerned with getting the job done quickly and getting out of there.

Wishing you great success in 2012.

Guy and Ron

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solutions into action. RISK FREE! Check it out here.

P.P.S. Questions or comments? You can reach
Guy at 773-870-6500 or Ron at 913-961-1790.

The Contractors Best Practices Newsletter is written
and distributed by Ron Roberts & Guy Gruenberg,
-All Rights Reserved

I did not post article fully, as the rest is not much relevant to the topic, but I reprinted it in full with author permission on my blog.

design temperatures

@ April 4, 2012 9:15 AM in Happening elsewhere?

This is the reason we do design build only. I found complete lack of knowledge and inspiration in regards to high eff heating in engineering community.

design temperatures

@ April 3, 2012 10:01 PM in Happening elsewhere?

Boiler works at design temperatures may be total 1 week in a year. Most of the times boiler works at much higher outdoor temperatures, and it allows to lower water temperatures, and it permits boiler to condense.
Radiation , installed for design temperatures, becomes over radiation at regular temperatures.


@ April 1, 2012 6:15 PM in Happening elsewhere?

look into hamilton engineering products. they have multiple boilers with combined vent. they made it as single boiler product, but there are actually more than 1 boiler in the set.

taco 010

@ April 1, 2012 6:08 PM in Boiler making loud noise when filling storage tank

.taco 010 has 10' WC head available .¤t_category=52
your storage tank has 7' WC head.

your boiler ( i found it to be low end BTW) does not publish head data for heat exchanger, But for gianoni heat exchanger it is somewhere in 20+ feet of WC. Add to this some piping and fitting, and i think you have to move to next big pump. you have probably lack of water flow, and water starts to boil in the boiler, and because this boiler does not have advanced protection features, you might damage this boiler. I might be wrong, but this is my opinion.


@ April 1, 2012 5:59 PM in Happening elsewhere?

i would offer indirect off new boiler.


@ April 1, 2012 5:40 PM in Happening elsewhere?

There is always ways to vent, just for each application there is proper equipment. If there is vent for atmospheric boiler, there is vent for direct vent boiler.


@ April 1, 2012 5:34 PM in Boiler making loud noise when filling storage tank

Also, on last picture i see probably piping to the indirect heater (left pump) before twin tee connection, but i do not see 2nd connection there. do you have picture showing indirect piping in more details?


@ April 1, 2012 5:30 PM in Boiler making loud noise when filling storage tank

could you provide pumps numbers (like 007 or 011) and speed they set to?


@ April 1, 2012 4:08 PM in Boiler making loud noise when filling storage tank

what circulator is installed for indirect tank?
what size piping installed for indirect tank?
on what side of hydro separator indirect is piped?

Re: professional engineer

@ March 30, 2012 9:25 AM in Steam or water system for old Hotel

I did remove this post and do apologize for it.

design fee

@ March 30, 2012 7:42 AM in Steam or water system for old Hotel

You are absolutely right, design fee must be charged. we do it all the time , except the job is standard and repetitive, and some options can be included in proposal. we always charge fee for complicated or non standard jobs.

modcon efficiency

@ March 29, 2012 9:46 PM in Steam or water system for old Hotel

the main difference between conventional heating systems( hot water and steam ) and condensing modulating boiler is not in a boiler efficiency , but in system efficiency. Modulating boiler tracks load very tight, no overshooting at all, and provides exact heat as needed, while standard systems always overshoot the set points.

water meter

@ March 21, 2012 11:06 PM in Electronic water feeder/lwco for WeilMcClain Model 80

just install small water meter on feed line


@ March 20, 2012 7:31 PM in Wanted - Heat Timer EPC panel for parts

Why don't you just make another cut out on the wheel?
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