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@ February 18, 2014 4:40 PM in how prevalent is this?

I will refrain from responding to your post the way I would like to. The people on this site are here to HELP other people. As this is your first day on this site, I can only conclude that you are in some way related to the MMM site as you are only condoning poor practices. The only comments that I have seen on this post (other than yours), were made to ensure a safe and functional system.

 As there is a link to this site posted on MMM I don't think that it is anyone's responsibility to go there and correct the system that he designed and will not work nor be safe. If MMM wishes to learn about the correct way to install a radiant system, he should come here and find out how to do it , The folks here would be more than happy to help him. All he is doing is showing people how to do something the wrong way, with the wrong equipment and it will only cost them more money down the road as they will have to pay an experienced pro or allot of time and effort on their part to correct it.

I would rather have many of the folks that lurk here remove my gall bladder than some of the doctors (or engineers) that I have dealt with.



@ February 16, 2014 12:02 PM in Which of these two setbacks is more economical?

That is what God invented TRV's for :)


Third World?

@ February 15, 2014 2:53 PM in 007 CAP

Damn Ice, thats what we use to keep our well houses from freezing here in Winchester Virginia :)


@ February 14, 2014 11:37 AM in Anyone Heard of Cleaver Brooks OG Boilers?

The only thing that I can think of would be "oil or gas", possibly a duel fuel?


@ February 7, 2014 1:20 PM in New boiler, Insufficent heat

Did you get the insulation done? Any better?


Hot water baseboard heating (new old thread)

@ February 7, 2014 1:07 PM in Hot water baseboard heating (new old thread)

For everyone who is sick of scrolling through 525 posts.
Hot water baseboard heating
we just converted from oil with a Burnham burner, 14 years old, to gas with a high efficiency Alpine burner, and we have baseboard heat. The oil heat was quick, heating the house 5 to 10 degrees in about 15 minutes. the gas heat with the Alpine is so slow, heating the house about 1 degree every 20 to 30 minutes. is this normal? the company who installed it said it is, and that if we want it to be more efficient, we cannot turn the heat down. this sounds crazy, and we do not want the heat so high while we sleep, and prefer to turn it down, but it is so slow to heat the house, and so it is cold in the morning for hours. can someone elaborate or help with this?

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@ February 4, 2014 6:45 PM in Why was my thread deleted?

I believe your post was deleted due to some personal conflicts that got involved in the thread (not your fault at all), mine and a couple other fellows. I appoologize for that. I think your question was answered. but I will take a shot at it.

If you have two systems that are the same and you pull 100k from one, it will create say a 1" pressure drop. if you pull 150k throught the same system it will create a 1.5" prersure drop. So the higher volume you are pulling through the system the greater the pressure drop.
Hope this helps,


@ February 1, 2014 3:04 PM in New boiler, Insufficent heat

Insulation from below is a must in any radiant installation! If your rooms still don't heat to your liking, the problem is most likely in the design of the system. You may need to add supplemental heat such as panel radiators, baseboard, towel warmers etc. Before you take this approach though, you should get a qualified radiant tech to your home to assess the situation.
In short, get the insulation done and if that doesn't solve the problem I would recommend calling Thacher heating. Here is a link
Joe is a true profesional and I am sure he can get your system straightend out. I am sure everyone on this site agrees.



@ February 1, 2014 1:46 PM in Heating solutions for naughty children?

Why is it naughty for your children to want a warm bedroom to sleep in?



@ February 1, 2014 1:05 PM in Time to Upgrade my Modcon

I'm with SWEI, I would go with the WHN055. I would rather see a boiler sized on the lower end than the higher end. Heat loss programs are designed to add in a safety factor. Ask Mark Eatherton, according to him, he undersized his boiler (I don't remember what brand) and has yet to utilize its full output. I would increase the domestic storage and do away with the buffer tank. Just don't do micro-zones and you will be fine. All the better if you are sizing the radiation for one water temp and trv's, no zoning at all.


To Thomas

@ January 31, 2014 2:40 PM in Are Taco ZoneSentry valves noisy?

Thomas, If you can hear your circulator making noise it is not normal. If you put your screwdriver against your electrical panel you can hear it hum. Don't blame the circulator unless it's bad (which Joe stated). Either replace the circulator or find out what else could be causing the noise. A vibration or noise will travel through pipes like two tin cans and a string. You may just have very sensitive hearing, in which case no heating system will do. You should probably find another hydronic heating company (try the find a contractor tab on this site). You will be be hard pressed to find a more silent heating system than a hydronic one.



@ January 30, 2014 3:23 PM in Long detailed help needed with air pockets hydronic 3 zone Burnham oil boiler, 3 Taco circulators, baseboard fin registers no air valves

It is obvious from your post that you need a heating pro to correct / fix your system and in your current finacial situation that is not a possibility. "Oil Heat cares" is a non-profit organization that pride4s itself on helping those in need in our society. If you post your location pehaps there is somone near you who may be able to help. If you are near me I will certainly assist you at no charge, as I hope were I in your situation someone would help me.
Good luck and may your prayers be answerd.


@ January 29, 2014 4:53 PM in Buderus GB-142

Hydo, not to nitpick but semi-annually means twice a year, bi-annually would be every two years.


You hit the nail on the head

@ January 25, 2014 3:41 PM in Water hammer noise after new gas boiler installed

Zman, you are correct, rjb got it! A good boiler piped wrong (probably by a forced air guy, or a plumber). It can't be piped too badly though, he only posted it three times instead of twelve :)

To the original poster, please ket us know how this works out.

My two cents

@ January 25, 2014 12:11 PM in Baseboard Installation from floor

Follow Gordy's instructions on height. If you can, wait to install the baseboard until after the flooring. Those carpet kickers will do a number on your enclosures, and you will then know precisely what you finished floor is. Don't just leave the covers off until flooring is installed either, the element will then get bashed up.


IR Thermometer

@ January 25, 2014 11:59 AM in Superstor contender piping ?

Do you have an IR thermometer to verify the supply and return water temps? Right now you are trusting the boilers sensors. I would check that before I re-piped the system. You never know, all it takes is one bad sensor to spoil the whole barrel.


@ January 23, 2014 3:12 PM in Superstor contender piping ?

I don't know how it's piped, but could you have gravity recirculation going on? Some older thermostatic / pressure balanced shower valves could create a cross connection which could lead to gravity recirculation. Or, is it possible that you have a cross connection in the hot and cold water allowing gravity recirculation? Are you having any hot and cold water issues? After a long period of no hot water use how far up the pipe is the hot water pipe hot? How far up the pipe is the cold water line warm? Is there a thermal trap or check valve on the line? Just a thought.



@ January 23, 2014 12:46 PM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

Between MLK Day and the east coast snowstorm It took Harper a couple of days to get back in the office.

I wonder if the reason he is such a proponent of boiler replacement is because if he had to change over from oil to gas, he would get his shiny new blue gas boiler at manufacturers cost?



@ January 19, 2014 8:37 PM in Anyone in the Elmira, NY area?

Are you retiring or reorganizing? I haven't seen much of your hot water work, but if it's as nice as your steam systems it would be a big loss in the hydronic field to lose you.


Never mind, I just saw your last post, and by the way, your work looks like crap!!

Just kidding, I mean eveything that I said at the beginging of this post. You do some of the best work that I see!!

Low Flow Bypass?

@ January 19, 2014 8:06 PM in Water Hammer After Powers MM430 Instal

Rob, did it work before? You may need a low flow bypass to handle the smaller loads untill the larger tempering valve needs to kick in.



@ January 19, 2014 6:08 PM in Radiator Cover for Burnham-Style (Radiant) Radiator

Brian, this may sound callous, but millions of of children have grown up with radiators in their houses. I for one did, and as my father told my mother when she worried about the same thing, he will only touch it once. If your child is handicapped I would figure out a way to cover the radiators, if not, 160 degree water will not cause an injury before the child can remove their hand. Once again, people have lived with radiators for centuries. I have never heard of a child getting burned from a properly functioning radiant system.



@ January 19, 2014 1:05 PM in Anyone in the Elmira, NY area?

Are you now Thatcher Heating and Cooling? Are you still Ecuacool? I checked out your Facebook page, did you work in Mike Rowe's house? Sorry about all the the questions, just wondering.

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