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Kansas City Combustion analysis

@ January 17, 2014 1:05 PM in Kansas City Combustion analysis

I am looking for a recommendation of someone to service my triangle tube prestige 250 including combustion analysis.  I am in Kansas City.  Thanks

minimum gpm on storage tank?

@ September 29, 2013 2:57 PM in minimum gpm on storage tank?

I have a Ruud 119 gallon storage tank with a grundfos 26-99 set on high speed circulating through a 100 plate 5x12 heat exchanger and the tank.  The tank is 118 degrees or so at the outlet on top when it's 140 degrees at the bottom where the temperature well is.  I'm wondering if there's a minimum flow needed to heat the whole tank evenly?

gas bills and exchangers

@ September 29, 2013 11:23 AM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

Gas bills were down only a little in the summer months while making hot water but on the floor heat there were substantial savings.   Heat exchangers were 100 plate 5x12 i bought off of ebay. 

Thanks for your help

@ September 29, 2013 9:30 AM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

Just looking at these posts and realized I never followed up.  I did install a triangle tube prestige 250 with 2 heat exchangers.  In all but the busiest times a 175 would have worked.  That being said the floor heat does need the 250 when it's been off and I'm wanting to open the next morning. Thank you for all for the advice.

Caleffi backflow?

@ September 28, 2013 10:58 AM in How to find a leak

The Caleffi series 573 backflow preventer is apparently leaking.  There is a small spot on the floor that's dry but the inside of the pipe is wet and there is oxidation around the end where the water apparently evaporates before hitting the floor.  It has always dripped a little when i opened the fill valve.


@ September 26, 2013 9:26 AM in How to find a leak

Condensate does drip until the unit gets above 120 or so. How do I check the boiler for leaks?


@ September 25, 2013 10:41 PM in How to find a leak

It's piped to the floor and i don't notice any water there unless it's sporadic and evaporating before i notice it.  

How to find a leak

@ September 25, 2013 9:17 PM in How to find a leak

I have a triangle tube prestige 250000 btu condensing boiler that I installed about a year ago.  It has several webstone ball valves and 2 heat exchangers.  The boiler pressure is lower than the pressure on the other side of both exchangers. I have a small expansion tank  on the boiler loop.  I have a city line there with a regulator and a valve.  I keep it turned off in general.  About once a month the boiler shuts off on low pressure (about 8 psi i think)  then I turn on the valve and get it back up to about 15 and it's fine.  I understand this is adding calcium etc to the boiler loop and would like to find the leak but I don't know how.  The boiler loop is 1 1/2 inch sweat copper.  Thank you

7% more than minumum flow?

@ December 3, 2012 10:52 AM in Glycol heat loss

So there's really no efficiency lost as long as you pump more water through the boiler?  The 399k boiler has a minimum flow of 19 gpm at full fire so is this the number i need to use?

Glycol heat loss

@ December 3, 2012 2:05 AM in Glycol heat loss

How much efficiency is lost by putting 30% glycol through a boiler like a Triangle Tube Prestige?  I understand glycol is inferior at heat transfer.  After lots of googling all I found was that you may need more feet per second through the exchanger.

piping options

@ October 11, 2012 12:57 AM in piping options

Ok, I've been convinced to install a condensing boiler.  Can i run the water from the softener (about 50 psi) into the boiler and then circulate that same water through a hot water storage tank (for using at the spray wands) and a through a heat exchanger for the glycol floor heat. (use a separate glycol pump)

for reference here's my other thread

size exchanger

@ August 15, 2012 12:13 AM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

Assuming I'm going from potable water through the boiler and then to the glycol how do I size the heat exchanger.  I think the glycol would be 45 degrees and the water 135 then coming back as cool as possible to help with the condensing.  Thanks, John

Thank you!

@ August 13, 2012 11:48 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

I guess the exchanger setup you suggest is the opposite of what I was thinking.  I was going to run city water through and to the wands and let the glycol be on the heat exchanger loop.  As I understand it the glycol is less efficient at heat transfer so I'm losing my efficiency gained with a condensing boiler.

pics of system

@ August 13, 2012 4:50 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

This is the glycol boiler, circulation pump tag and solenoid valves that let the hot water in before the pumps.  


@ August 13, 2012 4:35 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

9 gpm for the wands and 1700 square feet for the glycol floor heat.  Incoming water is about 60 degrees and from what I have learned floor heat is 1-200 btu per square foot.

Cycle times

@ August 12, 2012 10:17 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

I really don't know. There are no slab heat sensors. Both boilers are direct vent so I'm sure that's a substantial waste. They also weep hot water and I'm hoping cold will do the trick.

Fair enough

@ August 12, 2012 9:11 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

Yes I see the point. There's currently a 900000 btu raypak for glycol and a 1100000 btu raypak for the floor. Gas bills ran 3800 in the high months. The Navien I looked at was 98% efficient and was rated for the use with a 10 yr warranty on exchanger. I just bought the Carwash.


@ August 12, 2012 8:32 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

I believe 9 gpm considering derating for rinsing, foam, waiting etc. and 1700sf of floor heat.

More info

@ August 12, 2012 8:22 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

I have only about 1700 sf to provide floor heat for. (other bays are shut down in winter.) From reading online it seems that about 100 btu per sf. I was thinking with a properly sized pump on a vfd to control return temperature I could get the units to fire properly... Though with 3 I wouldn't need full fire. Another wash owner has run floor heat with glycol directly in the tankless for 9 years. It would probably run half the time for 3 months per year and the rest of the time be just providing wand water.

1/3 service?

@ August 12, 2012 5:55 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

I do see your point. What I'm wondering is if I have 3 of them that rotate service on a cascading system won't this help the longevity issue. How do I post pics?

Bad connection

@ August 12, 2012 5:49 PM in electrical question

Most likely just a high resistance connection from an improper install. The breaker, fuses, overloads etc would trip first if it were a load issue. You can probably just replace the lug..... You won't know until you pull the lug off and see the extent of the damage. Fuses may not be required but they have a higher interrupting rating than breakers and may have been specced. As far as fuses or breaker undersized this is not a problem if they're not tripping.

Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

@ August 12, 2012 5:12 PM in Carwash glycol floor and hot water system

Hello, I'm trying to design and then install a system for a Carwash. I'll tell you what I'm thinking and then you can get out the red pen! 3 Navien 240 a tankless with circulating pump and a heat exchanger with glycol for the floor heat in the bays. So softened water would run through the Naviens and circulate for floor heat and probably an air exchanger for heating the equipment room. I want to add pics but the option is grayed out.