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Harper111

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Suggest you call Burnham to ask yourself

@ March 13, 2014 3:57 PM in converting oil burner to gas

It comes down to liability many times.

If the manufacturer does not certify it in that configuration, and it is converted where something goes wrong, then liability is in question.

Good luck convincing your home owner insurance company or contractor's insurance for insuring a claim against a configuration that is not approved.

But, if Carlin can provide documentation that they certify that particular boiler has been tested and is certified, then it may be possible. That would most likely take some research and documentation to prove that to protect yourself.

It may be wiser just to buy a new higher efficiency Burnham Gas Boiler, if this is the case. The fuel savings would most likely pay for itself over the years.

Which company is providing a conversion kit?

@ March 7, 2014 1:58 PM in Beating a dead horse.

Which conversion company has an approved and certified gas conversion kit for a non-approved Brunham boiler?

95% then

@ March 7, 2014 8:42 AM in Beating a dead horse.

Boilers like an Alpine 95% condensing boiler are, in my opinion, unbeatable in the marketplace. The fuel savings from replacing the entire boiler would more than pay for itself rather than doing a conversion on older less efficient equipment.

With the fantastic reliability and overall fuel savings, it is a great choice.

Does your insurance cover all liabilities for you?

@ March 7, 2014 8:36 AM in Beating a dead horse.

The biggest question is whether your insurance will cover all liabilities for anything going wrong if or when the modifications fail. This is a conversion that is not certified by the manufacturer after all.

Just buy a new one

@ March 6, 2014 3:30 PM in Beating a dead horse.

With the efficiency being so high on the newer units, customers should just buy a brand new one. It makes very little sense to upgrade a 60 to 70% efficiency unit. The money saved from the efficiency would more than pay for the new unit in a short time period.

Nicely stated

@ March 6, 2014 9:17 AM in Beating a dead horse.

It may be technically possible but is it worth the liability risk?

One could guess that there is probably no insurance company in the entire country that would insure an owner or contractor in this circumstance.

You made the correct call

@ March 5, 2014 1:23 PM in Beating a dead horse.

One would bet that if you called your insurance company, or the customer's, that they would not be covered in the event something should go wrong.

Either way, sine most would probably agree they make some of the best products on the market, it would probably be best if they just bought an entirely new Burnham unit that is under warranty and has greater efficiency.

Burnham products are an excellent choice

@ February 28, 2014 10:49 AM in New Gas Conversion

It is not permitted to convert existing Burnham oil boilers to gas. The conversions will fail inspection since it is not certified by the manufacturer. The Gas conversion manufacturers may tell you this as well, as they should not be permitted the manufacturer to sell conversion products. If a conversion installer or company tries to tell you different, you may want to ask to speak to their insurance company and ask if their policy will assume all liability if something should go wrong.

The newer Burnham products are wonderful and if your budget can support the newer technology, you will not be disappointed.

You are not permitted to convert those boilers

@ February 3, 2014 9:15 AM in Anyone buy 4 year old boilers?

It is against manufacturer guidelines to convert those boilers to natural gas.

Plus the warranty will not transfer to any new owner. This severely limits your resale.

Good Advice: Get Liability Coverage in Writing

@ January 27, 2014 1:46 PM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

Here is some good free advice that others are not commenting on. Please be careful to get it in writing the contractor's insurance policy and the fact that they assume all liabilities for the unit and its proper safety in operation subsequent to the conversion.

What happens if something goes wrong?

@ January 22, 2014 9:58 AM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

Who has liability if such a modification causes a catastrophic failure?

The manufacturer?
The homeowner?
The homeowner's insurance?
The installer?
The installer's insurance?
The city inspector?
The city itself?

If it is the installer, have you ever called up your insurance company and received a definitive answer in writing?

Otherwise, it sounds like a risky thing to do even if the chances are small for something to go wrong.

Same questions still remain to be answered here

@ January 17, 2014 4:20 PM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

If there is a warranty remaining on the boiler, and if so, will the manufacturer consider it null and void since the unit is not operating as per the manufacturer's certified configuration?

Who will assume liability if the unit should ever catastrophically fail?

This would be true for any boiler manufacturer that does not test and certify a conversion, would it not?

What happens if something goes wrong?

@ January 17, 2014 11:14 AM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

You need to tell the person considering this option the whole story to make an informed decision.

Two Important questions they need to consider.

If there is a warranty remaining on the boiler, and if so, will the manufacturer consider it null and void since the unit is not operating as per the manufacturer's certified configuration?

Who will assume liability if the unit should ever catastrophically fail?

Feel free to call up the manufacturer and share their insights with us all please. Most people are probably going to rely on the engineering and technical advice from the manufacturer that designed and built the unit to exacting standards.

It is not permitted and will fail inspection

@ January 16, 2014 5:12 PM in Opinion on conversion from oil to natural gas

If the boiler was not originally equipped with a gas burner from the manufacturer, then it is not approved by the manufacturer.

The gas gun manufacturers will tell you the same, they are not approved to provide advice on Burnham gas conversions.

Contact Brunham and ask them yourself if you are unsure.

Your boiler will fail inspection and be in an unsafe and unapproved condition. Your only option is a full boiler replacement to a new Burnham gas fired unit or other unit.

It is a good boiler

@ December 12, 2013 11:07 AM in Hot water baseboard heating

It is fine equipment and a fine company. The support team from the manufacturer is excellent. Good luck getting the pump issue squared away.

Same back at you.

@ December 11, 2013 5:17 PM in Gas Conversion Help.

Why are you afraid to call the manufacturer and share exactly what they said to you on this matter?

Call the manufacturer

@ December 11, 2013 4:21 PM in Gas Conversion Help.

People will follow the guidance of the company that manufactured, designed and engineered the system.

Please do yourself a favor and follow the direction of the manufacturer, as they know the system best. You typically will not get yourself in trouble this way.

If you are unsure, it would be best call them and ask for guidance.

Curious as to what was Burnham's response when you inquired with them about this?

Moot Point

@ December 10, 2013 8:38 AM in Gas Conversion Help.

Lets reiterate, it is not permitted by the manufacturer and should fail inspection.

You can open up your own boiler company and make your own rules, but on this equipment, it is simply not permitted.

Burnham does not approve of gas conversions on their oil boilers if not originally installed on it. Call Burnham and ask for your options directly.

Also, most likely if your township inspector calls or looks in the manual, they will be instructed to fail the installation automatically since it is not approved by the manufacturer.

As well, it appears all gas gun manufacturers have been directed to not provide any advice or support for conversion of the boilers.

Your only option is a whole replacement to a brand new factory gas Burnham unit, or other brand. What your are doing is considered unsafe and not permitted by the manufacturer.

The manufacturer would consider redesigns to the equipment unsafe since it has not been tested and certified by them.

It is not permitted and will fail inspection

@ December 5, 2013 8:46 AM in Gas Conversion Help.

Burnham does not approve of gas conversions on their oil boilers if not originally installed on it. Call Burnham and ask for your options directly.

Also, most likely if your township inspector calls or looks in the manual, they will be instructed to fail the installation automatically since it is not approved by the manufacturer.

As well, it appears all gas gun manufacturers have been directed to not provide any advice or support for conversion of the boilers.

Your only option is a whole replacement to a brand new factory gas Burnham unit, or other brand. What your are doing is considered unsafe and not permitted by the manufacturer.

The point even further substantiated here

@ October 25, 2013 12:31 PM in Gas conversion burner of choice for a Burnham V-905?

"Language from a national code system on installation of gas conversion burners — language adopted by the board and cited in the GAMA letter — that states “in no case should the appliance be modified beyond the recommendation of the appliance manufacturer.”

“In my humble opinion, if you are changing from No. 2 [oil] to natural gas, you are modifying the appliance,” Bangor Fire Chief Jeff Cammack said."

https://bangordailynews.com/2008/09/18/news/oiltogas-switch-heats-up-dispute/

Good luck with it no matter what direction you decide to take.

Call Carlin and see what they say

@ October 25, 2013 11:34 AM in Gas conversion burner of choice for a Burnham V-905?

Ask Carlin as well what model burners they officially support for Burnham Oil Boilers for gas conversions.

You will get a consistent story. They are in lock-step with the manufacturer providing the same sound advice. Best to replace the entire boiler if not per manufacturer supported specifications.

What does it matter either way?

@ October 25, 2013 11:27 AM in Gas conversion burner of choice for a Burnham V-905?

Friendly advice and different perspectives appear to be what this board is all about.

Best to let the person asking the questions get all inputs and make their own decision.
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