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commerical /residental

@ March 29, 2014 7:38 AM in Do you ever get sick of looking

Big difference and have done both for a long time number one difference is in residental there is a personal connection with the money and with commerical there is no personal connetion they just write the chk plain and simple at least thats the way is was but that was also in the days of do the work and send the bill and they pay now every one is on the cheap and basically price chk everything as though no one is allowed to make a cent on any thing .Then they wonder why there s no pride or skill shown in the work they perform because they don,t care and it,s basically all about the money .plain and simple sooner or later the HO will get sick of calling and find some one else .The sick part of it is that alot of my residental work is from commerical jobs and the bussiness owners who are just sick of the residental sectors contractors and shoddy work ,they really never bust me on my price there more then happy to pay out of there pockets but they know there getting the correct job usually i don.t find that i.m wasting my time with them like the rest of the residental market ,hard time tough decissions peace and good luck clammy 


@ March 28, 2014 6:50 AM in Mod con and plate exchanger

I did something simalar to your thoughts about 15 years ago becausethe HO needed more Hot water at her jacuzzi .The plumbers who did the bath re do installed a 80 gal amtrol but it would not give her hot enough water and the boiler could not keep with the indirect rated output or atleast the 140 the HO wanted .What i did was parrell feed the flat plate and used the domestic  output of the amtrol into the flat plate and installed a taco 5000 mixer on a thermal trap worked great ,this amtrol and the flat just feed the master bath they had 2 40 or 50 gal tanks for the rest of the home ,The women wanted as insane as you think like 150 water at the tub with this set up she had it .I believe i used swep plates rated at about 45mbtu or something very long time ago and this was on a ci boiler using seperate pump and priority for domestic boiler was about 150 mtu output fair sized home .worked pretty well and was one of my former bosses sisters never heard a peep or complaint.Really seemes to let her let the tub spout rip  peace and good luck clammy

usually not fixed income

@ March 27, 2014 7:21 AM in Do you ever get sick of looking

Most of these jobs are not for those who on fixed income they have the money but have spent on some thing else .ie driveway pavers,extreme kitchens ,radiant and more aside from keeping it in tere pockets ,they do not  have POS cars in drive ways get my drift and the funniest is the ones with what you say are lower or fixed income they are always the ones who see the value and usually re pipe .Those who are the haves won,t spend it they try to get anyone to do it cheap or they pass it on to the next owner who get so sick of it they rip it out n put in hot air ,It is very dis hearting . But i take it in stride and move on soon to forget there badly installed missed pipied short cycling steamer,no sense in wasting your time it seems no matter how you explain it they will never see the value until there boiler starts leaking and cracks then lets get a lynching mob together and some one must pay but not them .It is quite a comedy shows like a repeat of south park still funny each time . .I was really posting this to guys who are out there like myself still working doing this day in day out and see this pooh in person instead of just a piciture on a screen  Peace and good luck clammy

Do you ever get sick of looking

@ March 26, 2014 8:32 AM in Do you ever get sick of looking

Do any of you get sick of looking at and pricing re piping of mis installed /mis sized steam boilers for those who do not want to spend money to make it right and are looking for some miricale screw driver turn that will make it all works as should?Plus there's always the we are only staying here a few more years and are moving .At some points i just laugh and then tell them well then you only have to live with it a few more years till ya move .Just can't make up human nature and the amazing search for  a bargin and a miracle and some fool do make it happen ,good thing the fool is not me .Thanks for the rant peace and good luck clammy

re piping and swing joints

@ March 25, 2014 6:04 PM in Short Cycling Despite First Time Main Vents Installed

Jeff instead of getting confused by ever body ,look in the installation and operation manual which came with the boiler if you don t have one then down load one .As a general rule just remember that the rise and header sizes in the manual are minimum sizes ,I have installed a few peerless 63/63 steamers and i see it,s only a 112 mbtu .What are the size of your existing steam  mains that you will be tying into your possible new header.I think.If all you have is 2  -2 inch mains i think you would be good with 2 inch risers into a 3 header i would do a  drop header slow that steam down and dry it out plus this way you can come up higher and drop back down to gain room to ty in your existing mains , do a  2 in equalizer and come out of the boiler with a full 2 1/2 nipple and ty your 2 equalizer into that i would do a 1 1/2 Hartford loop and use a mal st ell .Sorry to say i had many photos of steamer i have done but lost my old computer and the pics and got tried of taken pics and posting .You may be able to do a drop header search on the site and find some pics .Peace and good luck clammy

side note on that header

@ March 25, 2014 10:29 AM in Short Cycling Despite First Time Main Vents Installed

No one seemed to mention that there is no swing joint for expansion with that bridge crossoverand the way it is piped  ,Repipe that thing before the lack of a swing joint damages your boiler and we all know it.s expensive but cheaper then buying a new boiler.What ever modifacations you have to do to get main vents installed in the proper place just do it .just one other question i see your home is quite old  do you  have wet returns and  are they original or have they been replaced or flushed ,just asking peace and good luck clammy

is this considered a proper swing joint

@ March 20, 2014 7:57 AM in is this considered a proper swing joint

i can.t understand why but i have been runnig into this lately on a few different steam boiler where the installer came up with his riser and then put 45 on them a close nipple and piped into his header.It s not like i,m following one company but it seems to be a think with a bunch of locale plumbers  .I personally do not think or consider this a swing joint and have had 1 boiler piped this way crack and the guy slide in another one and well it s going on 2 or 3 years and has not crack again but time will tell .They also drop straight down w the equilizer into the return with no offset or swing am i as usually over thinking but i never do it that way and i never have issues and all the boilers i go and look at are either piped in this manner w 1 1/2 or 1 1/4equilizer and return piping and they have issues .i chk the i &o manuals and well they piped to the manafactures specs which are mimiuns .I really can't understand why they just can't follow a drawing in the i&o manual but i guess ya can t do that if you can t read ,theyknow how to sign that check though .Oh yeah on these 45 degreeoffset it was not in a tight spacethere was plenty of room to do a nice job peace and good luck clammy

it s zoned

@ March 18, 2014 12:02 PM in Gas fired direct vent fireplaces advice

It's zoned allready but it s got a crawl space and the flooris insulated .i think he needs that radiant feel of warmth you gey from a fire place .the radiant floor is the real ticket ,but times are tough and it would be a streach for me materal wise to pull off plus i never charge my mom n dad if i do it s kibble and bits usually not even close to the materal cost just the way i am .They already got a little buderus gaser there so no biggie on that side but the tubing n re insulating properly w a tiny in floor 14 x20 access is rough .looking at some lennox units but not a huge fan of there other products mainly cause i see so many sub par installs kinda turns me off as bottom feeds and low ballers seem to use alot just me though .thanks ice peace and good luck clammy

Gas fired direct vent fireplaces advice

@ March 18, 2014 11:26 AM in Gas fired direct vent fireplaces advice

I have piped in a few and some log sets , but now my dad has been bugging me to install one for him he's getting up there in years and feels cold alot   ,I really have no experence with brands if any one can shoot in the right direction it would be helpfull .I know he has  got the heat cranked and is boiling my mom out and i know from comfort side with his health condition he would have no complaints if he had radiant but it s a crawl space with extremly small single entrance in a bad spot .As much as i dread it i 'll end up there doing  staple up that will be another time .Any info will help thanks peace and good lucl clammy

Thanks Tim

@ March 15, 2014 7:20 AM in excessive draft and stack temps

I knew this to be true but i needed some else smarted then i being you  to agree with me on it ,I also see it alot and i have always thought about it but most where on smaller boiler and lower btu outputs and didn t seem to have thetell tale signsi usuallysee with hi draft and excessive air .But this some slapped in the face due to the extremely tall chimmey and the extra draft you get from that  .Thanks Tim for giving me more ammo peace and good luck clammy

excessive draft and stack temps

@ March 14, 2014 7:02 AM in excessive draft and stack temps

 Hey timmie wondering if i'm off base on this ,Looked at a job with a large natural draft gas fired boiler ,The boiler block was raised up about 4 to 6 inches just on the boiler blocks side while the rest ofthe underside of the boiler was left open . it was my belief that whan raiseing a boiler up on block that the  blocks  or a  poured pad should be larger then the physical size of the boiler as to not  increase the air space between the open burner tray and floor due to it increasing draft across the burners  increasing the excess air and increases the draft across the boiler  .The boiler has a built in draft divertor i did not chk the draft because i was there for something different  but the chimmey is about 35 to 40 ft high.The boiler seems to light off fine but it kinda of concerned me being the flue pipe had that i have been running a hi stack temp look that i have come see oh so much of espically with dirty oil boiler that where never properly cleaned oil co love those hi stack temp more oil burning,This is a larger peerless gas boiler so the bottom of the burner tray is open unlike say a utica which has a closed bottom tray on it.Thanks for ny input peace and good luck clammy

it 's america you gotta choice

@ March 13, 2014 11:22 AM in feeding counter flow loops

They knew they had issues and finally i guess a gas company employee suggested they should start by correcting  the piping.I was refferred by a supply house who generally does not refference anyone for steam promblems except one or two guys ,me being one of them and younger then the other guy also i had straightened out a couple larger 2 and one pipe system that where long time promblem jobs no one could get to work no biggie .There's is alot of issue on this one aside from the awesome copper header there,s  the counter flow loops  /lack of A dimesions on 2 dry returns  all rad vents shot wasted done  ,bunch of raditor supply valve pissing,packing and bonnetts ,rad union leaking and   some other wacky hack a do piping for a direct pipe loop along a converted porch entrance does it work no will it ever no and did it ever only if a miricale occurred highly doubtfull if not impossibel i have and will inform them of this yes .But i m giving them the straight line no BS not my stlye. and the same goes for the price it is what it is and no one can sraighten out 50 or 60 years of system negelect and farmers fixes with one swoop of a magic 4 ft pipe wrench if so may i have there number cause i will hire them or give them all my uncaped hero work .Thanks for the rant time peace and good luck clammy what about some piping ideas for what i posted or nobody got nothing

feeding counter flow loops

@ March 13, 2014 8:26 AM in feeding counter flow loops

I recently looked at a re pipejob on a larger peerless steam boiler ,aside from it being one of the worst piped copper steam jobs i have ever seen .I was even more mazed that it worked even though it defies all common sense  steam piping I kinda believe when i witnessed it operating there where not to many issue but it was also about 45 outside and they only turned the t stat up 1 or 2 degrees and he piping was not stone dead cold  i guess to later say it didn t do that before i got there but i think i have that covered  in my propasal  .I know if i would have done it it would have never workedwithout any question, but onto my queston .Aside from 3 parrell flow mains i have 2 counter flow loops which where not taken off the main as such ,the home is very old and overthe years afew addition where added so thats how the counter flows got in there ,If they ok the re pipe i considered over head feeding the counter flow loops and then dropping them below the waterline and tying them into the wet return .I planned on installing a tee on the counter flow main with the bull facing up which will get a supply feed off the main  and the run of the tee getting a nipple and then facing downward to return consensate back to the wet return .The other opition is to tythe bull onto the main and feed in the top and drop it down ti the wet return .I plan on going with my first plan unless some one has a better way.I have seen some counters done the second way which where fine and other times i have seen there and they had issues mostly due to running on apressuretroll instead of vaporstat.If i do get the job i will have to buy a new camera because i never seen any attempt to pipe a steam as this one is piped and that it works total amazing .Thanks for your opion  peace and good luck clammy


@ March 11, 2014 8:02 AM in residential split system shuts down due to overheating

Yes use a foam cleaner and clean your outdoor coil also check your condenser contacts for carbon build up and pitting if so replace chk refregerant charge ,and capactors for  proper mfd .other thing to chk beside amp draw off compressor and outdoor cond fan .Then while operating chk temp difference on indoor coil and sub cooling and super heat on your ref charge ,also chk your compressor leads and termimals for loose connections this can also lead to hi amp draw and over heating of motor winding leading to thermal over load .hope this helps peace and good luck clammy

Oil easy?

@ March 11, 2014 7:16 AM in water in tank

I,ve done both for over 25years and the  grass  is greener is true,Unless you like going out all hours (being all oil co offer 24 hrs service thats what people want no excuses)Then it may not be for you unless you like the following smelling like oil ,your truck and tools smell like oil and getting rid of waste oil ,slug up filters,strainers and nozzles a good waste bucket of oil  and some place to dispose of the wast oil .And of course and bunch of new tools ,push pull gun ,soot vac ,0 to 300 psi gauge,vacume gauge  and a bunch of pumps,motors, ingintion tranny ,oil relays, a variety of filters nozzle s and strainers and misc stuff.If you where familar w oil and had done oil service for a oil co and had a real idea of what real oil service invoules you might want to just do gas ,if you think oil is easier and gas is so hard then give it a eye opening try it not as easy money as you might think .It is usually dirty smelly and usually no tmuch fun  and most of all from my experences oil fired equiptment and vampires have one thing in common they both seem to always go out at night and when you burn oil it is not a waiting game like the ulities they want service within the hour and heat in even less time .Why another oil co will grab your custermers .Just as all services require knoweledge and experence i don,t think its some thing to jump into most plumbers ,hvac and ref guys i know and work w hate oil ,they love theinstall money but have no clue how to set up adjust and ensure that the burner is functioning and running properly they all seem to find out the hard way 3 to 6 months later when the home is full of smoke or the boiler is completly packed and in need of a good cleaning .Just remenber the grass usually always looks cleaner on the other side .As for water in a tank either the fill or vent pipe is rotted and letteing water in or the tank tops in rotted ,you get it out by making a dip tube and pumping it out with a approved pump and and paying to dispose of that water as waste oil ching ching then dig the fill and vent up and re pipe easy stuff .I don,t want to discourage you but gotta tell ya the truth .I only do oil for a few of my custermers and basically i do the cleaning after the oil co and they keep the oil co for emergency 24 /7 service and me to straighten it out and make sure it s all running correct .Can,t except much of a cleaning for 100 bucks and less then 1 hr to do it except for a noz filter strainer .Sorry for the rant and if i don,t sound postive i m sorry just hate hear everyone think its so easy when they have not been out there doing it when you do 24 /7 it means 24/7 espically oil custermers not in the am they want now .Peace and good lucl clammy

nice upgrade burner

@ March 5, 2014 8:43 AM in Reducing mod/com output with multiple stage gas valve

just wondering if these burners could be used as a replacement for giaconni based boiler older munchkins /purefires .wondering how they would perform as compared to the mesh screen burners being some early mod cons used a stainless burner then upgraded to mesh but those early version where not as jeted as those blue jet are .just thinking out loud peace and good luck clammy

simlar set up

@ February 15, 2014 11:28 AM in Time to Upgrade my Modcon

I have a similar set up w baseboard and could not remove it nor get a panel rad or new piping  so I did some creative piping and use of zone valves and a stat for some type of control for those rooms being the rest of he home used trv s and worked off 1 stat and 1 ecm circ  ,If you have to keep the base board think of maybe removing it and upgrading to cast iron definitely worth the investment and heat retention  .When you finally pick your boiler look at the low fire rate  and your projected heat lose on the shoulder months and that should help you decide weather or not a buffer is necessary remember those panel rads work great with a wide temp diff and a buffer tank may offset that difference as for what the boiler is seeing as a return temp as compared to the system return also don't rule out a 2 pipe reverse return piping system with a ecm circ and possibly only a 1inch main you would have some water volume from the piping and may not need a buffer tank .plus you would save some coin on manifolds for a home run system I know I spent close to a grand on manifolds alone  and in retrospect if I where to redo it  I think I would have done a 2 pipe reverse return system but that is just me and I keep that one in my tool bag brain.I do see the pluses of buffer tanks though especially when you get to mirco zoning or smaller zones of radiant(smaller temp diff on radiant systems) especially in the shoulder months .But with a low temp panel rad system or at least the one s I have designed and installed there really is not much short cycling on the shoulder months but I program the boiler limits to operate at a 30 td which seems to do the trick except for those small radiant zone . hope this helps you out peace and good luck

low temp n panel rads

@ February 15, 2014 7:12 AM in Time to Upgrade my Modcon

I have the same set up as you are thinking on doing .I used buderus panel rads model 22 w trv and oventroupe isolation valves w a built in by pass .I did a home run systems using 1/2  pex al pex w a upionor tru classic manifolds w flow rate indicators and a califee hydro separator..It runs off the odr which is set for max temp of 130 at I believe outdoor of 10 which we hit and went below this winter and the house still held temp,I am using a munchkin t80 2nd revision and have not had any issues after bout 8 years or so .I found the buderus panel rads easy to install and don.t forget the towel warmers for the bath they are awesome and there nothing better .I have another panel rads system I installed using a peerless purefire and buderus panel rads same mainifold and home run system using a 30 gal boiler buddy works great never short cycles on the shoulder days  and  it is a low temp running 140 at 10 I would add one  to my system except it's to tight for room ,this system also is using a wilo eco circ which runs off a ranco etd unit did not like the constant circ opt on the boiler way to much running temp lose though the heat exchanger .As for a stat I used a white rodger if380 temperature averaging thermostat using 3 sensors being the home was 3 stories and had some issues with a existing baseboard zone that could not be changed ,Do your research and find a boiler with the lowest turndown or low fire with a boiler buddy your set remember to installa good air elimator and a y strainer on your return to the boiler .peace and good luck clammy

piping n pump

@ January 21, 2014 7:23 AM in Superstor contender piping ?

I believe your supply piping to your tank is to small it should have been 1 inch.I have a htp munchkin going on about 8 years old and during this whole time my boiler has only ran200 hrs to produce hot water(just checked to be sure 200 hrs for about 8.5 years ) .The longest cycle time I have had is about 8 to 10  minutes max and bout 22 minutes from a real cold tank like below 100 .On another note and some thing I see a lot and dis like is that fact that no one installs check valves on there indirects ,I install a ifc pump on the supply  and then put a taco flow chk valve on the return .The main reason I do this is in low temp systems you will migrate heat from your tank to your system and on hi temps your tank is liable to get migrating heat from your hi temp system and cause your central heat zone to run longer over heat your tank and waste fuel  my boiler is a HTP T80 and my system is low temp max odr is 140 at 10  and max temp for domestic is 176 and by the time my supply hits that it runs for about 4 minutes and shuts off I keep my indirect at 140 I can't remember if TT has post circ run times if so program it for about 3 to 4 minutes . .I do it on all indirects I install .But 4 hrs run time to produce hot water is crazy I don't think my tank runs that long all week and that's with 2 shower a day 2 people and maybe 5 or 6 loads of laundry also some thing does not sound correct ,Get the piping increased to 1 inch and change the pump to either a a taco 10 w a internal flow check or better yet get a grunfos 15-58 ifc set to high speed a bit cheaper then taco and a better fit in my eyes I used them many times on your exact set up and have not had one call back in more then 10 years get that tank repiped your wasting your money running it the way it is as for the piping being not to manafactures specs get a installer who can not only understand picitures but can also read the manual and understands hydronics ,when a fly by does it you paying never ends .peace and good luck clammy PS please don,t take any of this a a insult just being myself and blunt no insults are meant

tankless water heaters

@ January 12, 2014 8:42 AM in tankless water heaters

We install only a very few each year and have not relly had much issues or complaints,but i am wondering how these unit fair on suppling hot water to the newer he washing machines which feed hot water in a metered fashion on n off till the machine senses the correct water level that i needs .just wondering how much of  a sandwich of cold there is and as we all know short cycling of anything is not a good thing but watching my own washing machine operate has me thinking peace and good luck clammy 

where in mahwah

@ November 23, 2013 7:34 AM in combustion test

Mr  Davis I would be interested in any dates you where planning in Mahwah ,where were you planning to do your classes at wallworth bros or another supply house in Mahwah  so thati could inquire about being present .Thanks peace and good luck clammy

Effects of reverse ossimoses watre on CI ,galv or copper drains

@ September 26, 2013 9:01 AM in Effects of reverse ossimoses watre on CI ,galv or copper drains

Wondering weather there where any ill effects on non pvc/abs plumbing pipes .I know in the past I ,ve had custermers that used RO water on certain process and the tailpieces and metallic traps would rot away and on the few jobs where they drain these processes into a indirect waste the exposed copper water lines where developing pin holes and leaks ,Is it just me that worries about this  peace and good luck clammy
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