Joined on March 11, 2004
Last Post on December 11, 2013
@ December 11, 2013 4:36 PM in Gas Conversion Help.Are you a contractor? A salesperson? Do you have experience with gas conversion burners? If you have had a bad experience, why don't you tell us about it? Why are you hiding from us?
@ December 10, 2013 11:01 PM in Gas Conversion Help.Look at the list of Harper's postings. Every single post in every thread he has posted in is the same anti-conversion-burner thing. It's as if he comes on the Wall for only that single purpose.
On the one hand, we have Tim, whose standing in the industry is second to none. In a career spanning 40-plus years, Tim has done over 3,500 conversions and has never had a problem, which is a rather definitive precedent - and if he DID have a problem, as an educator he would surely tell us about it. And since Tim owns his own business, no one is ordering him to say certain things.
Then we have Harper, whose background is..... what? Is he a contractor? A salesperson? Does he have experience with gas conversion burners? If he has had a bad experience, why doesn't he tell us about it? We don't know, despite asking repeatedly. Why the secrecy?
My own experience with gas conversion burners reflects Tim's, though it has nowhere near the extent his has.
If a particular contractor is not comfortable using these burners, that is a business decision which I respect. But for someone to come on here and rant against those who do use them is questionable at best.
@ December 10, 2013 3:07 PM in A sad day coming ... Paul system getting ripped out.you can't fix stupid!
@ December 10, 2013 10:13 AM in T.C. Joy Companythe closest thing I've seen is the Italian Flue type, made by American Radiator Co, on page 59 of "E.D.R.".
@ December 10, 2013 9:17 AM in Gas Conversion Help.Who are you? Who do you work for? Do you work for Burnham? Do you work for a supply house that sells Burnham products? Do you work for a gas supplier? Why are you so motivated to push people to completely replace perfectly serviceable boilers that will offer better efficiency than the usual atmospheric boilers?
@ December 10, 2013 12:51 AM in Atmospheric out, Power Burner inwho knows a home inspector who recommended us. Some years ago we spoke at the local ASHI chapter's meeting, which has resulted in quite a few referrals.
This boiler room is smaller than it looks, so a twin-boiler setup would have been unwieldy. Given the choice I'd go with lo-hi-lo firing on a single boiler if such were available, we've had good results with this on larger jobs.
@ December 10, 2013 12:48 AM in Atmospheric out, Power Burner inif I really looked like Neil Young, I'd be a lot richer................
@ December 9, 2013 9:53 AM in MegaSteaming by the riverColumbia has re-badged Utica cast-iron boilers for several decades.
The TigerLoop people include a Firomatic with a 3/8x1/4 adapter that screws into the center tapping of the TigerLoop. But I like to have the valve a bit more accessible.
@ December 8, 2013 11:20 PM in Atmospheric out, Power Burner inis a 30-0-30 (30 inches vacuum to 30 PSI) that comes with the boiler. Not sure who makes it.
That's me standing by the new boiler. You can see Gordo in the old-boiler pics.
@ December 8, 2013 11:08 PM in Atmospheric out, Power Burner inWe chose the Carlin 201Gas for this one, mostly because Carlin is so well represented here.
We were able to re-use part of the original header, since it was 4-inch. It sloped toward the front of the boiler, so we fed it from the rear and put the equalizer and Hartford Loop in front. The 3-80 can be installed with a 3-inch riser and header, but using 4-inch kept things simpler and dries out the steam better. And the fact that this boiler has only three sections instead of 10 or 11 means fewer section joints, and less possibility of leaks.
The back main now has two vents- a Gorton #2 and a Gorton #1. The front main is 50 feet long, same pipe sizes, and got a single #2. Now the steam gets to the ends of both mains quickly and evenly.
The customer says the system has never worked this well, and wishes she'd known us 20 years ago. Fortunately she still has the radiators from the back two apartments. She insisted on taking the last pic- fortunately the camera didn't break.
@ December 8, 2013 10:54 PM in Atmospheric out, Power Burner inThis set of pics isn't as good as our usual, since they were taken on my cell phone.
This was a Weil-McLain EGH-115. It had been shipped as a split-block and joined with two short draw rods in the middle- and that was where it was leaking. It reminded me of a dachshund, which has a long body that sags a bit in the middle.
The header was serving mostly as decoration. It was a colliding header where the steam outlets were between the boiler risers- and the equalizer connection was made with a reducing elbow turned on its side. When we took it apart we could see where the water had backed up inside. Unfortunately we see bad headers all too often.
The house is a large Baltimore 3-story rowhouse, with two apartments in the rear. Years ago the tenants complained that they didn't get enough heat, so they disconnected the steam and installed furnasties back there. When we got there we found a 65-foot main, composed of 3-inch and 2-1/2-inch pipe and vented with a cute little Hoffman #4A, which again was little more than decoration.
I kept thinking- "You can't fix stupid".......
@ December 8, 2013 9:06 PM in MegaSteaming by the riverand a 5-year anti-corrosion warranty on top of that, which no one else offers. Burnham's main site appears to be down at the moment, but here is the brochure:
Thanks for the kind words!
@ December 8, 2013 5:00 PM in MegaSteaming by the riverin all its glory. We installed a 3-inch drop header, fixed the piping issues near the boiler, set the boiler up on blocks and eliminated the oil tank return line with a TigerLoop.
The system still has some water pockets out in the piping, but we'll get to them soon.
Now if Burnham ever got to where they wouldn't have a hissy fit about putting gas burners on the MegaSteam, we'd install a lot more of them.
@ December 8, 2013 4:55 PM in MegaSteaming by the riverThis older Columbia COU-600 had served faithfully for decades, but it started to leak. The MegaSteam 629 was a perfect choice, since there is no natural gas in this area.
We had wanted to repipe this boiler for a while as there were several water pockets in the piping. Here is one of the worst ones- a 2-1/2" main coming in from the left, a 2" counterflow main rising from the bull of the tee and dumping condensate back into it, and the run continuing as 1-1/2"! No such thing as dry steam past this point.
@ December 8, 2013 4:29 PM in Probably a question you are asked alot..Charlie from WMass if he'd come up. Not sure how busy he is, but he's great with steam!
@ December 8, 2013 4:22 PM in need below-burner shield for gas-steam old Weil McLainis 1/4-inch. If that will do, Lynn Products makes it.
@ December 8, 2013 4:20 PM in Probably a question you are asked alot..Tom, where are you located?
@ December 8, 2013 3:48 PM in Name that valve!it is a stop-and-drain valve, with a washer in it. The wheel is for draining the pipe beyond the valve.
@ December 8, 2013 3:38 PM in need below-burner shield for gas-steam old Weil McLaina.k.a rug, would be another good way to go. It is designed to reflect heat away from whatever it's covering.
@ December 8, 2013 3:31 PM in Gas Conversion Help.Do you work for Burnham? If not, what is your stake in this?
Tim has been in this business longer than any of us, and he has had no problems doing conversions. Obviously he knows something you don't. You can keep ranting about this all you want, it's a free country- but the rest of us will listen to Tim.