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Joined on March 11, 2004

Last Post on April 19, 2014

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The Gathering #3- Liability

@ March 17, 2003 12:25 PM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

Mark Eatherton shows one of his many works of genius as Earthfire, Floyd Kolb, Arlene Puentes (who later won the Wirsbo class in the raffle) and another gentleman later identified as Howard Hansen look on. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

The Gathering #2- Writing

@ March 17, 2003 12:15 PM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

Dan talks about how he approaches writing and speaking. To the right of Dan is Arlene Puentes of October Home Inspections, who is also head of education for the Kingston, NY area ASHI chapter. Those of you who haven't had good experiences with home inspectors should see her presence as a good sign. Kelly from PM/Engineer is next to Arlene, and Tim Doran from Wirsbo is on the left of Dan. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

The Gathering #1- Steam Heat

@ March 17, 2003 12:06 PM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

Where else am I gonna start? ;-) Here we have Tom Farrell, Kelly from PM/Engineer, a lady who owns a steam-heated building Boilerpro works on, and the one and only Tom Tunstall of Tunstall, Inc. Scott Fewer was here too but not when I took this photo. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Day 1- The Weil-McLain Tour

@ March 17, 2003 11:58 AM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

"No Cameras in the plant!" they said, so we had to leave them on the bus. From left to right: Paul Lessard, Earthfire, Boilerpro, Unknown (Please fill in the blanks if you know who the unknowns are, I didn't get a chance to write everyone's name down), Glenn Harrison, Unknown, Jeff "Southern Man" Lawrence and his wife. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Day 2

@ March 17, 2003 11:38 AM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

"No cameras inside the Weil-McLain plant" they said, so we had to leave them on the bus. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

We decided to meet for dinner

@ March 17, 2003 11:23 AM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

and the group grew as more Wetheads arrived. That's George "Earthfire" Stawnyczyj directly in front of the camera, and Paul and Nadine Lessard to the right. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Got there Thursday evening (all these photos are full size)

@ March 17, 2003 11:19 AM in Wetstock 2 Photos (Steamhead)

and look who was at the bar already ;-)... From left to right, Ken Secor, Dave "Boilerpro" Bunnell, Dan Holohan. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Branch steam line

@ March 17, 2003 11:03 AM in sizing steam pipe

I'd go with a 2-inch black steel pipe to supply those 1-inch risers. Also provide a place to install a vent at the end of the new 2-inch pipe. Vent the pipe with a Gorton #1 or Hoffman #75. Copper on steam lines is always a bad idea. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

There's probably a vent on the return

@ March 12, 2003 8:39 AM in Steam release

that you haven't found yet. Keep looking, it's there. 80 years is a nice long time, but it's not uncommon for problems like this to pop up unexpectedly. First, remove the new Hoffman vent and wash it out. If it still leaks, boil it in vinegar to clean it. If it still leaks, switch to Gorton #2 vents. Going to Wetstock, so I'll be off the Wall for a few days. www.gorton-valves.com To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Try cutting the pressure down

@ March 12, 2003 8:33 AM in Source for Orifice plates?..... Boilerpro

with a Vaporstat, and you won't get all that flash steam in the returns. Then you will know if you have bad traps. This would also eliminate the need for the Alternating Receiver, but I'd leave it in place as a backup. If it's not working right, Tunstall can probably rebuild it when the owner is ready. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

See you all in Chicago

@ March 12, 2003 8:29 AM in Wetstock or Bust!

and those of you who couldn't make it, will be missed! To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Nice Diagrams!

@ March 12, 2003 8:24 AM in Conversion to one-pipe system

I see the trouble now. The steam lines were sized to be parallel-flow, fed thru the single steam main off the boiler that was removed. If you're running them counterflow, they have to be one size bigger so the condensate can flow back against the steam, and also they need more pitch- 1 inch in 10 feet- back toward the boiler. This is covered in Dan's book "The Lost Art of Steam Heating". I'm assuming the original steam line from the boiler was cutting into the available headroom, and that's why it was removed. Your contractor ought to find a way to re-install that pipe so it doesn't hang so low. Maybe it could run counterflow, pitching up to the center of the basement, and parallel-flow (downhill) from there to tie into the two steam mains. The alternative would be to repipe the present counterflow mains with increased pipe size and pitch. If you do this, you will also have to move the main vents to the ends of the mains. Going to Wetstock, so I'll be off the Wall for a few days. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Find out

@ March 12, 2003 8:09 AM in Hydronics Objections

who published the report. Betcha it was a scorched-air organization. The rest of the "objections" are easily refuted by any knowledgable Wethead. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

If you don't have enough vents

@ March 11, 2003 8:11 PM in what would cause cast iron to disintegrate

the condensate will turn to a mild acid, which can contribute to this problem. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Can't remember who made our last set

@ March 11, 2003 8:08 PM in Source for Orifice plates?..... Boilerpro

but I'll try to find out. BTW, do those Sterling rad shutoffs have orificing or other limiting built into them? If you think they might, try just installing a Vaporstat and experimenting with the pressure settings. You might save yourself a bit of effort this way. I wouldn't remove the traps, BP. They probably won't see much action with the orificing, but if something goes wrong like a plugged Vaporstat pigtail, they'll act as a secondary defense against steam in the dry return. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Piping for two boilers

@ March 11, 2003 7:42 PM in Any steam experts in Utah?

should look something like this (Columbia's version). Note that the header that receives steam from both boilers and passes it to the steam system mains is a "drop header". To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Here are a couple of ways

@ March 11, 2003 7:37 PM in Piping two boilers

from Columbia. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Those Hoffman #75 vents

@ March 11, 2003 7:32 PM in radiator airvent failure

should do fine on those relatively short mains. For more info on vent sizing, order a copy of Dan's "Dead Men's Steam School" video and workbook. The workbook contains charts you won't find anywhere else. And the video takes you thru the process of designing steam systems, with Dan at the helm. I have those old Audel books- you'll love them too! To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

What a good header should look like

@ March 11, 2003 7:09 PM in Any steam experts in Utah?

This one's piped in glass for demonstration purposes. The configuration is just right, with two 24-inch risers to the header, then the steam main takeoff, then the equalizer. The second photo is a "drop header" installed by Mad Dog on a Burnham boiler. This is used to make the risers to the header even taller. The third one is one we installed on a Columbia boiler. It has a slightly different configuration, but does the same job. With two boilers, each should have its own header (and Hartford Loop too). The steam mains from these should then feed into another header, which in turn feeds the steam system mains. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

I think they are

@ March 11, 2003 6:58 PM in Steam release

return vents. But to confirm this, follow the steam mains from the boiler until they end. If they end at one of the pictured vents, we have a bit of a problem. The drop pipes from the vents join together above the waterline of the boiler. This isn't such a big deal if they're both returns, but if one or both are ends of steam mains there's nothing to keep steam from moving out of one pipe and into the other. This could close both vents before all the air is out of the system. The solution, if needed, is to drop both pipes below the boiler's water level, then come back up into the Hartford Loop. Water will stay in the lower part of this arrangement, which will keep steam from jumping out of one pipe into the other. Both of those vents should be replaced with Gorton #2s. I really think that new Hoffman is too small for your system. To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

How did the steam

@ March 11, 2003 6:42 PM in Conversion to one-pipe system

get into main #3 before the change? Also, where does the second takeoff from the header (the one that comes up in back of pipe #1) go to? And what's on the other end of the tee that pipe #1 feeds into (which is a "bullheaded"tee, a big no-no)? To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"

Intermittent for now

@ March 11, 2003 2:47 PM in The Circulator Experiment, Continued (Steamhead)_

which around here has more real-world application than continuous. But I'm not getting rid of the NRF-9, the next part of the experiment will be constant-circ with reset. I still haven't gotten around to running a heat-loss on this house, but I think the current boiler configuration is rather close to the load. I had some nice long run-times with single-digit outdoor temps. See you at Wetstock, BP! To Learn More About This Contractor, Click Here to Visit Their Ad in "Find A Contractor"