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Habby Easter

@ April 20, 2014 7:30 PM in Happy Easter

had some hot cross buns and fish and bananas left over from a Good Friday traditional Breakfast .
enjoying the sunlight here after a winter of struggle of cold and darkness.

Howdy , Dan
*~//: )

What part of heat shield am i failing to understand?

@ April 19, 2014 12:31 PM in Slab house/Boiler in kitchen

whatever it is that i am reading here seems to not be trailing with flying in correct formation.

Heat shields may not be a requirement , convince me that they are not.

*~//: )


@ April 14, 2014 1:51 PM in Contractor kicked out of house for doing CO test

Jim ,
the thought needs to be conveyed to the home owner that we are there by permission.
We have no Right to do just anything we feel like doing in their home , anymore than he has the Right to burn down his neighborhood. One of the reasons , that we have to do our work correctly is because of the permission we have to work comes with requirements we have in responsibilities to ourselves and the rest of the community.

People may not get what you say right away , so you have to let it "Sink In" ...
exactly what it is that you have just finished saying....

I think as a first line of approach that tact works best. It also helps to have a second means of referral to that on your service bill .

People may pick up on something that they read quicker some not . However , i sometimes say ,
"i don''t want to sound like an alarmist , buh this condition could quickly cause your death and there would be no amount of money that could ever fix That, then."

(This is not fear mongering . it is simply stating a fact)

The next line i roll with , is , "Because of that , it is best to do what we can right now , with a few mins of our time ,rather than wait for later."
that implies that you and the homeowner are on the same page and just to reinforce what you just said if you then say , "You are not that bad a guy and you certainly don't seem suicidal , ... " and use a dash of humor to change perspectives . you have basically captured most of the sane world right there.

the next few customers are the ones that are much more difficult to get across to , they know everything and you are just some paid monkey to them.

almost anything that you say is taken as drivel. So it iis good to point out the consequences once again and reinforce that part about you being part of the community and that it needs to be dealt with and will be by the city firemarshall or fuel provider . tell them that it is not a threat .
if that does not work , let them know the FireMarshall may see other code violations and bring along enforcement officers . which he can then deal with instead of you .

that is something i have only had to mention to the very few to get through to them how important they need to be considering what they say or do around me ... and that ,
was when a chimney was on fire from a creosote buildup in a wood stove.

i hope that outline is succinct enough. To draw from when added to other peoples advise in your presentation of ideas to the techs in your classes.


Take a peek at this ,

@ April 13, 2014 4:33 PM in Slab house/Boiler in kitchen

i live far away from there ,so some "Experiences" i do not have ...
my thought though was, if i could see what exactly it was , a picture even , then there may be some other this century solution.

in staying with oil , my thoughts are heat loss and exact dimensions of work area and
possible piping solutions to and from another location within the dwelling . essentially recapturing the kitchen space for cabinet or new appliance real estate ...

my buddy just called to see if i was alive ..: ) we seemed to have come up with a solution to a specific problem in winterization , he asked me some things and then i told him about some mining vendor show i went to a couple days ago... i burn lots of daylight with people as i go thru life. off solutions sometimes can lead to changes in the way we do things , it is just a matter of seeing the connectivity of the idea or principle.
i just hung up the phone while searching for the vendors info and typing this .
wrrrrr wrrrrr lol..

Here is what i am thinking when i hear of your accomplishment,

@ April 13, 2014 3:05 PM in What do you think of when somebody says Hydronics?

i hope this displays my enthusiasm for your right efforts .

as i have not heard back from you

@ April 8, 2014 1:33 PM in FST-200 Boiler Breeching Rumble after conversion to gas

would you consider calling the mechanical contractor who installed the burner ?
Let them Know that this happened?
Thank You.

it is early , my first cup of coffee,

@ April 8, 2014 12:21 PM in FST-200 Boiler Breeching Rumble after conversion to gas

is it possible the combustion air requirements have not been met?
for a quick idea where to look?

if the room has an opening like a window or door to the outside
and you open it, during start up and testing ,
your results are different than with the window or door closed ,
Then , there is insufficient combustion air intake , for an example.


this is a funny video

@ April 1, 2014 7:04 PM in this is a funny video

Virgin Airlines Climate Control

Google’s Nest teamed up with Richard Branson’s Virgin Airlines to start a program that would allow every passenger to each set their own temperature in a plane all at once.

Yah i would say that the

@ April 1, 2014 1:22 PM in Coming From the"High"Country CO...(Altitude not Attitude:-)

engineers picnic site might be a "Bit Flashy" for my tastes lol..

I get what icesailor is saying .

what i also get is minor technicalities in flame position and dimension and was merely pointing out that at a certain point things change rapidly from controlled to , not so much .
just exactly when and where all that occurs is in a grey area for me . what additional combustion chamber changes or quality of materials that would be required were some of the items that i thought might be what was hampering simply changing air fuel mixtures .

i think i was influenced unduly by engineers who had done some experiments on the what happens when scenarios and leaped to that picture in my minds eye.

because of that piece of information it looked like a formidable challenge and something that might be generating call backs from ,"Hello Operator , give me Jesus on the line ," which unfortunately then gave rise to thoughts of Mexican cuisine and the entirely different meaning ,
"Elevated dish" , may have for them that cooks something up with magic mushrooms and say your friendly tourista considering trying some specialite D 'masion , not quite realizing just what that all may mean ...

Mark , put it in perspective, when he said that the flame area Moves as being possibly the part of the neglected aspect. that is the part that i was saying about shock wave within the flame . That moves . when it does , things go very different very quickly , this gave rise to the thought that , while we are speaking about atmospheres and combustion flame characteristics and maintaining correct air fuel mixtures, the slight variations might give The Rocky Mountain High a entirely New meaning, raising it to even greater heights , should the unit go ,
because Bang! is not good in home appliance markets .

The stability of mixed gas depends upon it's nobility as it were , so it behaves a bit different at higher altitudes and can quickly ascend to loftier plateaus . ...

i hate the way i think , because i often inject humor into conversations due to a type of educational circumnambulation on a quicker straight line, i even have my own vocabulary i made up when studying Greek and Latin and English ... the teachers... cha the questions i would drop out of no where with , up set them ... it was not in the books that they had studied , yet ,there it was , line for line word for word within what they were Teaching us , so , if some of my expressions or words are bit more understandable even though they are not in a dictionary , please , with me at least, try to remember that things mean exactly what i want them to mean . lol...
Sorry , i digress ...
any way , i am certain that anything man can make man can break .

therein is the devil of or the crux of the matter . just how much techno will we have to be able to argue when the blame is on us for selecting the equipment in the first place as the Blame is Firmly established ...: )

We do not want that particularly , because like i was saying just the other day to a buddy ,", yes . it is as you say ... however, if the electrode goes to ground at 14000 volts, the guy in his bathtub might not be Able to be apologized to later. So , i would hold off on that idea , until you have the correct electrodes with the right ceramic insulation and correct holder . add auxiliary heat until the morrow.

some ideas give rise to alternative ideas , some technology is all about improving one aspect and moving it into another arena . ( even as i write this , i envision the arena designed by a computer engineer collapsing on folks heads because of human efforts to hang banners or something off of the structures) i cannot help that it seems something that just happens within my mind . It may be that the control issues will indeed be overcome and work within the parameters of mixed gas combustion appliances economically in the future , that is what is so unique about The Wall. we discuss things from a variety of experiential observation points as it were and quite often a manufacturer gets in on the conversations and bada bing ! it happens ! : )

not always though . just that sometimes their reasons are on another track after trying to decipher all we say. the days of summer are approaching and there is a lot of work to get accomplished this year . i think i really need to get after it before i start feeling guilty that i didn't give someone the shirt off my back this coming year

enjoyed the thread and the evolution of the thread *~//:)

"Say , I just contacted every contractor in town ...

@ March 28, 2014 7:07 PM in Billing format

and i cant get anyone to help me ."

i work for XXX company outta Nebraska , we need someone to go over to ( some place) and change out ( expensive parts and pieces) due to some (reason they think you will help) minor problems we were having.

ok . say , " thank you i do not work for out of state companies."

...."this is the saddest story i ever heard , i will be right over .." well wait to you try to get paid ... lol..

"My buddy needs some help because the rentor left the garage door open in 40 below..... , "

" well
who should i make the bill out to?"

" er.. the owners out of state right , nauhOw..

nuff said

sorry please continue looking for a P & H contractor as i am unable to do the work at this time .

"would you come over an look at this project ,? i will buy the (specified boiler) and my buddy will do the install in the mech room .. "

these are not things to jump right up and fly out the door doing .

with them weeded out immediately you will likely save considerable dollars and wasted hours of your life .

when you are working for years with the same people and they
want to change the game . fire them as a customer then and there before you begin the next day of your life.

i once read a book written in Spanish , one of the morals of one of the stories was

"Better Alone , than in bad company ."

i hope that helps.


thats my idea of humor,' too

@ March 27, 2014 2:22 PM in Why would i want a mixing valve for my indirect hwh?

it is for want of a better word "Manic ..
The Fireman's house i just did a small one bath basement finish has a boiler setup built to fail.

i explained a lot to him about anti scald , return water temps , piping bypasses types of by passes a number of minor technicalities in combustion ....
he calls my idea of manic
Gallows Humour .

i somewhat agree with that assessment , lol...
*~//: )

even the way i speak sometimes has a very circumnambualative colour.

so some of what i say does not leak right out the other ear in a conversation ....: )

when the rimbee came out

@ March 27, 2014 1:24 PM in Taco Radiant Mixing Block (RMB-1) Pump Diagnosis

i took a small clear hose ran it from the air relief down along side the back of the pipe
spun a 3/8 rigid single hole pipe clamp to the diamond plate and called it good .

what the answer is for resistance i havent off the top of my head , i too use the click manual button .

the stethoscope works too *~// ; )

havent seen Der heatmister in a while : )

@ March 27, 2014 1:06 PM in Coming From the"High"Country CO...(Altitude not Attitude:-)

i sorta like where Icesailors coming from on this one , the thing i think is somewhat a limiting factor is the physical dimensions an the added materials and types of materials that go into the designe when chasing higher performance .

Consider when we saw that first wood gasification boiler with all the certs and ratings ... that boiler looked vaguely something out of Star Trek and associated with Vulcan Technology .
the size of the unit more resembled an industrial incinerator , than a cookie tin box , pinned to a wall with a couple uni-strut bolts.

i like to read and study and often spend countless hours doing so, the engineering sites have all manner of interesting reads .

i think crafting the place where the , i will call them shock waves for now , present themselves is what i think dissuades looking for a residential size boiler application of the turbo charging preheat and compression re injection like one would see in turbo jet engines . the really fast flying test vehicles we have now are an interesting read ,
most are experimental run to destruction type experiments of somewhat limited duration .
So i consider
"Welcome to the Mountains " to pretty much sum up the joys of our work at high altitudes ...
*~//: )
Good to see that our thoughts are shared and the experiences and information still roll on here at The Wall.

In Flight Shut down is something i think comes into play from time to time on various engines and i think that is the minor technicality thats some what another side of things when it comes to combustion ,
within thoughts on the designs of the adaptations to a residential boiler..
i reason it this way it might give rise to a "Hoe Nuffa Laval" when one says "More Bang for the Buck."

i like this thought

@ March 22, 2014 10:37 AM in A challenge...

it reminds me to ask again about the Herrmann burner experiment.


@ March 21, 2014 5:35 PM in water in tank

paste on dip stick.
Get the transfer pump out , then whatever it takes to get it right and not have to come back until the service company they were using lets the ball drop again.

just yesterday , i ran this entire thing past a homeowner ... i suggested to the oil tech taking the general filter out and puting in the tiger loop while nice to cut down on the condensation in a two pipe below ground tank , was not exactly the best way to roll.
the way i did that was to say ,
" i like to go with double or triple fitration ,
and "what is the name of the company that evacs tanks cuts them up and disposes of them ? "
: )

this is part of the education experience lol..
we are supposed to be helping young guys without doing all their thinking for them .
: )

theres something you may like

@ March 20, 2014 1:45 AM in boiler bypass

to look into , one is boiler reset the other system reset..
and warm weather shut down .

then you might not find that there is much of a cost advantage in not going with the boiler having one way of seeing things and the field another and both of them speaking the same language.

the ability of when to agree then , is not really an either or situation .

and , might be a function , i hope that helps .

Wirsbo poly fittings

@ March 20, 2014 12:27 AM in Pex

the brass fittings are mostly wirsbo washing machine or ice maker boxes ,
some Dhal valves and Souix Chief fittings for Wirsbo , for header 90 1/4 turn valves ,
and the straight copper to wirsbo adaptors for modifying moen valves on the water side ,
the reducing and threaded adaptors for some aps like expansion tank fittings , when it comes to pipe i pretty much stick with he pex or water Aqua Safe pex from them and Rehau for zone distinctions for hot and cold water distinction, The red ones Hot .
the white ones , cold. sorta deal . i have no problem with red and blue for either , by the way, for potable water . (1" > 1/2) i have the heads for 3/4 5/8 and 3/8th too . in a manual pumpher upper kit.

i would not have any qualms with the Mr Pex either were it available . i prefer the wirsbo connection system . with the expansion fittings . although i do own some Larger Rehau tool for 1 1/2" 2 " 3" 4" the larger head usually has to be re routed to Alaska for the purpose because i do not own that head as it doesnt happen to be something i find i need every day .. and to be honest, cost about as much as the entire tool..
i have some okiter fittings and squeeZer downer lol.. and some one has my old old quest pipe crimp tool , it has been hitch hying about the universe, i suppose , about 30 years or more ago ,
since it escaped ..*~/: )

excuse me for coming along late,...

@ March 10, 2014 3:24 AM in 4-zone hydronic radiant heating system

Here is my SWAG , or Scientific wild a$$ Guess,
Mark is correct .
Here is how i suppose it once "Worked" ,

there is a pipe that goes both UP and down on what may be described loosely as the supply and return.
up stairs some place is another field installed Zone valve , and return header tied to the return .
these zone valves have one thing in common none of them will work unless there is a way back to the boiler ,
hence they have something of a slave relationship to the one valve.
the one upstairs zone valve that you have yet to find , may allow for circulation, this is not quite clear, either, at the moment.
Although it has better than a 50 50 chance it does
the heater on the 90 out from the one we are viewing seems to be somehow connected to this , therein is another rather disproportionately large variable .

perhaps you need to be looking for One more Tstat , as well as the mystery zone upstairs with it's return ...
by the way , just because it follows no real logic does not mean we cannot think it out , it just means when ever new "Variables"
and discoveries are made our opinions and hypothetical meanderings may change to finally derive exactly what is happening ,
anothe picture of the heater 90 degrees adjacent to this one and perhaps the hidden field header / separate zone valve may give us further insight .
At the moment i would say that none of the individuals who answered you , including myself , would do this to your materials.

I hope that helps .
*~// : )

there was something that i saw one day ...

@ February 28, 2014 7:45 PM in Gas fire

and i thought
There wasnt much heat coming out of it though ,
then the guy said
" That is a digital fireplace,"

it really looks like a fireplace buh no heat comes out of it..

like Mark i thought that you had only one reply


we live in an ever changing world ..


It certainly Looks

@ February 28, 2014 7:24 PM in Got my Sorbox today.

this century ...

: )

The maint . on it would certainly be less involved than heat exchangers.

Style in some Photos , when you have it lashed up..

*~//: )

i have time to recall seeing you here ,

@ February 28, 2014 7:03 PM in Howdy folks! And a few questions...

so , i suppose you know the drill lol

Any Pics of the near boiler piping as is..

because with what you have said,
you would like to get the basic H down one time clearly .
*~//: )

on one or two places,

@ February 28, 2014 6:49 PM in Hard Grey buildup in radiant system

over the years i noticed something like that.
my thought at the time is
'This looks a Lot like gypcrete or cement or maybe Blue clay. '

thing is, it was under pressure ,
tested prior to the pour ,
in both cases and did not have any way for it to get into the system .
so i am going to go with Harvey on this.. is there perhaps a piece of galvy anywhere including the potable water ?

i know ....take a look in the strainer of the fast fill maybe this is being introduced thru that system ....
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