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radiators that suck

@ March 24, 2014 9:13 PM in gorton valve

Did you ever solve your problem.
It can be solved

ALL IS WELL IN RIELLO LAND

@ February 7, 2013 11:05 AM in Riello pump pressure

HERE IS THE END OF THIS STORY

On Friday 02/01/13, we removed 135 gallons of water from a 2000 gallon tank.
We figure it was about 3" high which is just at the bottom of the supply pipe.
I'm surprised the burner ran at all.

We then added 8 quarts of HY-DRO-SOL and called for another oil delivery to top the tank off and mix up the HY-DRO-SOL.

We had to nurse this burner all weekend.
Translated, this means we lived in this boiler room and hit the reset button about a 1000 times.
We had to replace it once as well.

It still took a few days to get the rest of the water that was mixed up with the oil to burn out

Then after the majority of the water was gone we replaced the oil pump and high fire relay just to be sure because they should never pump water.

The burner is running beautifully now and all are happy,

This landlord just paid for his last 20 years of committing sins of neglect in this building.

You all were so right, but now I got one more

@ January 28, 2013 5:23 PM in Riello pump pressure

I want to apologize for taking this long to update you all, but we have been so crazy busy since Sandy you just can't believe it.
I want to thank everyone who replied as you were all so right.
The screw was stuck on low fire but we got it to finally go to high fire.
We had very little vacuum so we put in a new supply line and now we have 5 to 7 vaccuum.
It ran great until about a week ago when it started getting real cold.
Now it is humming along real nice but every 5 minutes or so the pressure drops from 178psi to 40psi or 50psi or lower for a few seconds, (it seems like an eternity as I desperately don't it to lock out) and then it goes back to 178 and hums along fine again.
We have observed the vacuum when the pressure drops and it stays constant and does not drop or increase at all.
This repeats itself every five or ten minutes or so.
Of course last night it locked out so 30 families had not heat or hot water this morning and I got an earful.
We are at our wits end.
We are beginning to think it might be water in the oil tank, because if the pump makes pressure for five minutes and we don't lose vacuum what could make the burner stop firing?
Water in the oil would be one reason.
I suppose a weak transformer could be another.
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK???
Paul
A Real Good Plumber, Inc.

In the future

@ January 6, 2013 2:04 PM in Main vent hissing when boiler is firing

I noticed that you cut the overhead pipe and installed a tee to install that vent.
It is much easier to drill and tap the overhead.
Try it the next time.

Paul

If you can hear the air venting...

@ January 6, 2013 1:57 PM in Main vent hissing when boiler is firing

If you can hear the air venting you don't have enough vents.

If it is steam venting, you have a broken vent

Paul

Sure it's been too long

@ January 5, 2013 8:46 AM in 2013 Long Island BIG UGLY....who's in?????

Paul shay
A real good plumber

Riello pump pressure

@ January 5, 2013 8:23 AM in Riello pump pressure

We are having a problem with a Riello 40 F20.
The oil pump pressure is supposed to be set at 178 psi and yet we can't t it higher than 110 psi.

We figured it was the pump but the new one is acting the same.

Does anyone have any ideas on what else the problem could be.

Paul
A Real Good Plumber, Inc

Riello pump pressure

@ January 5, 2013 8:23 AM in Riello pump pressure

We are having a problem with a Riello 40 F20.
The oil pump pressure is supposed to be set at 178 psi and yet we can't t it higher than 110 psi.

We figured it was the pump but the new one is acting the same.

Does anyone have any ideas on what else the problem could be.

Paul
A Real Good Plumber, Inc

munchkin 199m won't stay on

@ May 12, 2012 12:26 PM in munchkin 199m won't stay on

One of my guys is looking at a munchkim 199m as I write.
It won't stay on.
When he turns the main power off and back on, the pumps run for a few seconds and then turn off.
the boiler never comes on
If anyone can and wants to help call me at 610-754-7573

thanks
paul

munchkin 199m won't stay on

@ May 12, 2012 12:26 PM in munchkin 199m won't stay on

One of my guys is looking at a munchkim 199m as I write.
It won't stay on.
When he turns the main power off and back on, the pumps run for a few seconds and then turn off.
the boiler never comes on
If anyone can and wants to help call me at 610-754-7573

thanks
paul

Thanks Dan and Clif for your kind words and thoughts

@ September 6, 2011 10:05 AM in Friends of Paul Shay

Every day is hard, but there are only two directions for me to go and that is up and forward.
My strength is mostly back but not my passion.
I think that will take longer.
Dan, I really appreciated you and Marianne taking the trek into the city on the eve of Irene that most likely messed you up a bit.
You're a good friend.
Paul

i did not see any velocity charts

@ June 29, 2011 5:06 PM in Velocity of steam in large pipes??

I looked at the site but did not see any velocity charts

do we always need to fill the radiators with steam?

@ June 29, 2011 2:42 PM in Replacement boiler sizing

That will certianly provide adequate heat, but you will be oversizing the boilers more times than you think.
For the simple reason that the steam system was oversized to begin with because of the foul air issue. The original radiators may have been oversized by 30%. See page 71 in Lost Art.
Varivents will shut down the boiler and prevent overheating, but you may get short cycling on certain jobs.
On small buildings, this does not matter that much.
On bigger building it matters a lot.
Right now I'm extimating a job where the engineer specified a 6,000,000 BTU boiler when a 4,000,000 will do just fine.
Can you imagine the cost difference on this job?

Paul

boiler sizing

@ June 29, 2011 11:38 AM in Replacement boiler sizing

Have you done a heat loss? Even a quick heat loss calculation will help as well.
You dont' have to heat up the entire radiator if the radiator is larger than you need.
Quite often I go smaller than the connected load if the heat loss is much smaller than the connected load.
If the heat loss is larger than the connected load you go larger and plan on adding radiators.
You do always have to take into account that the supply steam piping was sized for all of the original radiators.
Good Luck
Paul

Velocity of steam in large pipes??

@ June 29, 2011 11:00 AM in Velocity of steam in large pipes??

I am designing some large steam headers and I am trying to find the critical velocity of steam (where the steam won't take the water with it) for 9", 10" 12" pipes.
I am familier with the chart on page 43 in the Lost Art of Steam Heating.
However, this chart only goes to 4" pipe.
Somehow over the years I got the fps for some of the large sizes.
I know Dan Holohan gave me the velocity in fps for some.
Now I need the fps for even larger sizes and I want to double check the smaller sizes while I am at it.
What I have currently is
5" with 35fps
6" with 38fps
7" with 41fps
8" with 44fps
I now need
9"
10"
11"
12"
It seems like the fps increases 3fps for each pipe size.
Is that right?
Can it be that simple?
Can anyone help me out here?
Thanks
Paul

What kind of building is this?

@ March 26, 2011 7:09 PM in Measuring edr:When to include pick-up

If you are thinking of installing a 500,000+ BTU boiler this must be a large building.
Is this  a single family or a multifamily building.
What is the square footage of the building?
There are many factors that go into sizing a steam boiler?
Connected load and heat loss are the two most important.
Square footage of the building has a lot to do with your heat loss.

Paul
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Have you checked the A dimension

@ March 26, 2011 6:42 PM in new boiler water spittlng air vents

Is the new water line higher than the old water line.
The last post mentions the A dimension, which I think is one subject that needs to be addressed.
Do you have 28" between the normal water line (NWL) and your lowest overhead steam line.
By NWL I don't mean the lowest permissable water line, but where the water ends up between cycles.
You may be better off if you can get someone to come look who knows steam.
Paul

Please dont' replace a section on a 15-20 year old boiler

@ March 26, 2011 6:22 PM in Time to replace boiler

especially such a small one.
If one section is bad the others are not far behind.
Paul

Welcome to a NYC walk up

@ March 26, 2011 6:17 PM in Cold steam pipes

Welcome to a NYC walk up,get a hammer bang on the pipes, the steam will come up.
In NYC no other tenant every has the same problem you have.
It's your problem not the landlords anyway, the apartment was warm before you got there.
And besides it's steam heat, it supposed to bang, right.
OK fun is over.
You say the radiators are cold so we know the steam is not getting to your floor.
No matter what you have done, if the radiators don't get hot you can't get warm and that is not your fault.
Every riser (vertical steam pipe) needs a "quick vent" at the top to get the steam there quickly.
The steam lines in the basement need "quck vents" as well.
Ask your landlord to hire a competent heating company to do a survey and make reccomendations.
Give your landlord a few chances to do the right thing.
Then start meeting your neighbors and you will see that those on the top floors are cold and those on the first floor are hot.
If you are an owner go to your board meetings and put this on the adgenda.
If you are a tenant get a few of you to complain and the landlord may fix this.
You may have to start a tenant's association to get this work done.
You may be in the Lower East Side but even if you are not call GOLES, Good Old Lower East Side and they can help you in dealing with your landlord.
I have attached a picture of a Gorton #2 quick vent on the top floor of a SOHO building.
Good Luck
Paul
 
 

I' having the same exact Ultra problem.

@ February 10, 2011 1:14 PM in Help with Weil McClain Ultra! PSI fluctuation on startup?

Did you ever figure out what the problem was?

to only foam or not to only foam??

@ August 2, 2010 10:02 PM in Is closed cell foam a vapor barrier?

What do you mean, that my vapor will protect the whole area?
You say the closed cell foam will get wet?
I'm sure it will get wet on the bottom or underside, but are you implying that the water will get through the 2 1/2" of foam.

6 mil or not to 6 mil

@ August 2, 2010 9:56 PM in Is closed cell foam a vapor barrier?

There will be no seams in the 2 1/2" closed cell foam insulation which will be sprayed in. 
It is 2000 square feet wall to wall with ICF walls.
The floor finish will be tiles.
so in short you would still install the 6 mil poly sheet on top of the gravel?
OK , I got you.
I had always planned on installing the 6 mil, but when I heard this from my foam installer, I began to think about how tight the bond would be to the gravel.
All the foam would ooze between the small little spaces rather just sit on top of the 6 mil.
I began to rethink my plan.
Paul
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